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portocristo · 07/02/2024 07:17

So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

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cheezncrackers · 08/02/2024 15:44

That's bollocks @Thatcat - Doria was absent for large parts of Meghan's childhood.

RhubarbGingerJam · 08/02/2024 15:47

Where is everyone getting the news about the 12 minutes and that Camilla was there? I can't find any articles like that. Thanks!

Lady C on GB news this morning then quote in Mirror for 12 minute story.

That Camilla was there no idea but she left shortly afterwards with the King - so assume people are making assumptions that she was in meeting rather than in another room doing last minute packing. Though GO.TV news says she was in the room - and that's apparently Pakistani news site that's currently down - no idea why they think she was there though.

DuchessOfPort · 08/02/2024 15:48

If Harry had had any sense, he would have put out no announcement, flown to the UK with no one knowing (the way he’s managed it to Jamaica or any other hols we’ve not see Backgrid prepped for), seen the King (for as long or as short as a cancer patient can’t take), gone home, and then when all the DM columnists have frothed (if they do) about how mean he is as a son, could THEN say “actually, I’ve been and gone - I just didn’t want to make this all about me”. Or words to that effect. Or say nothing! Let them froth! Sue them for saying you didn’t visit when you did even!

StringTheory1 · 08/02/2024 15:53

As other PP’s have said, my money’s on him having come to sign the official paperwork to remove him from line of succession (or something similar)…. He came grudgingly, signed the papers, stormed straight back to USA.

User14March · 08/02/2024 15:57

@DuchessOfPort fab PR all round for him & an excellent approach!

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/02/2024 16:05

StringTheory1 · 08/02/2024 15:53

As other PP’s have said, my money’s on him having come to sign the official paperwork to remove him from line of succession (or something similar)…. He came grudgingly, signed the papers, stormed straight back to USA.

Do you genuinely think Charles would want Harry out of the line of succession and Archie and Lilibet bumped up a place instead?

And I really don’t see that Harry would ever take the small risk of his children facing that with him out of the equation.

rubberneckerr · 08/02/2024 16:12

The comments on American reddit about the visit are hilariously delusional. I get not believing anyone's side completely but after M & H backtracked so badly on their claims, how do they still worship the couple? https://www.reddit.com/r/HarryandMeghanNetflix/s/VBI2269Xfm

'He came all the way from California and daddy dearest could only spare 45 minutes. That has to be the most toxic family ever.'

'I'm genuinely afraid for Harry's life.

I hope this trip goes without incident 🙏🏽'

'Charles must be a drama queen. He calls his sons "I have cancer", son jumps on plane but dad is an out patient, meaning, no operation or chemo for 8 hours non stop. Than he finds out that it's all to deflect the attention of Kates "illness". The woman nobody saw since Christmas, the woman who was only visited once by her hysband and non of their children. The woman who was humiliated by her own husband in public, blamed for being a racist, her parents "bankruptcy", being ultra thin with plasters all over her hands and the tabloids not mentioning her name.

Kate and William are famous for being so open about mental health but what would happen if Kate would be the third woman, married into the RF, who suffers from a mental breakdown with an eating disorder?' > This is just mental, are they saying Charles having cancer is a conspiracy to cover up Kate's ED?? These people live on another planet, not just another continent lol

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/02/2024 16:20

StringTheory1 · 08/02/2024 15:53

As other PP’s have said, my money’s on him having come to sign the official paperwork to remove him from line of succession (or something similar)…. He came grudgingly, signed the papers, stormed straight back to USA.

I'm pretty certain (and if constitutional experts here can confirm) that HM can't just shove a piece of paper at Harry and say 'Sign here, you're out of the succession, tough shit.' Wouldn't that require an Act of Parliament? it did for the abdication.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/02/2024 16:27

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/02/2024 16:20

I'm pretty certain (and if constitutional experts here can confirm) that HM can't just shove a piece of paper at Harry and say 'Sign here, you're out of the succession, tough shit.' Wouldn't that require an Act of Parliament? it did for the abdication.

They couldn’t make him sign it if he didn’t want to without an act of Parliament.

There would be formalities even if Harry wanted to quit.

Nathroom · 08/02/2024 16:28

rubberneckerr · 08/02/2024 16:12

The comments on American reddit about the visit are hilariously delusional. I get not believing anyone's side completely but after M & H backtracked so badly on their claims, how do they still worship the couple? https://www.reddit.com/r/HarryandMeghanNetflix/s/VBI2269Xfm

'He came all the way from California and daddy dearest could only spare 45 minutes. That has to be the most toxic family ever.'

'I'm genuinely afraid for Harry's life.

I hope this trip goes without incident 🙏🏽'

'Charles must be a drama queen. He calls his sons "I have cancer", son jumps on plane but dad is an out patient, meaning, no operation or chemo for 8 hours non stop. Than he finds out that it's all to deflect the attention of Kates "illness". The woman nobody saw since Christmas, the woman who was only visited once by her hysband and non of their children. The woman who was humiliated by her own husband in public, blamed for being a racist, her parents "bankruptcy", being ultra thin with plasters all over her hands and the tabloids not mentioning her name.

Kate and William are famous for being so open about mental health but what would happen if Kate would be the third woman, married into the RF, who suffers from a mental breakdown with an eating disorder?' > This is just mental, are they saying Charles having cancer is a conspiracy to cover up Kate's ED?? These people live on another planet, not just another continent lol

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God that's just awful, I wouldn't swap places with any of them for all the tea in China

Abouttimeforanamechange · 08/02/2024 16:28

Wouldn't that require an Act of Parliament?

Yes it would, in all the Commonwealth countries where the King is head of state. Same as was required when the succession was changed from eldest son to eldest child.

allmyliesaretrue · 08/02/2024 16:32

StringTheory1 · Today 15:53

As other PP’s have said, my money’s on him having come to sign the official paperwork to remove him from line of succession (or something similar)…. He came grudgingly, signed the papers, stormed straight back to USA.

Pretty sure that is not an option. It would require a much more formal process.

Who makes up this rubbish?!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/02/2024 16:34

'Charles must be a drama queen. He calls his sons "I have cancer", son jumps on plane but dad is an out patient, meaning, no operation or chemo for 8 hours non stop'

Yeah, because as those of us who have been through finding out you have cancer can attest, it's only really cancer and life threatening if you have the operation and chemo non-stop for 8 hours. 🙄

There needs to be a stupidity scale for these people.

skullbabe · 08/02/2024 16:34

Doria was absent for large parts of Meghan's childhood.

Meghan was co-parented by both her parents - Thomas as the residential parent from age 11 does not mean she had been abandoned by or did not see her mother at all. Meghan has spoken about her things she did with her mother throughout her teens which couldn't have happened if Meghan didn't see her. You will also notice that neither Thomas nor Samantha nor Thomas Jr never say that Meghan's mother abandoned her or was not part of Meghan's life. They all have plenty to say about Meghan and her current lack of relationship with Thomas - don't you find it curious that all of them never talk about it in relation to Doria and Meghan's relationship with her?

User14March · 08/02/2024 16:44

Would MM have become a successful student & actress without TM’s support?

Kinneddar · 08/02/2024 16:49

Thatcat · 08/02/2024 15:40

@cheezncrackers
Thomas Markle abandoned her to be brought up alone by the mother and only got back in touch when she became famous and there was a way for him to cash in on her. How do you know what is and isn’t malicious? He hardly meant well.
How does it serve you to demonise her and take up for him?
I wish it would all just be left alone so that they can all put it behind them and move forward in a better way.

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I thought it was the other way round & he brought her up when her mother left. Certainly any photos I've seen of her as a child/teen have been with him

Wasn't that part of the controversy. That he brought her up & she dumped him but when her mother - who seemed to have a 'colourful' life while she was away - became the one in the limelight

Kedece2410 · 08/02/2024 16:53

Charles must be a drama queen. He calls his sons "I have cancer", son jumps on plane but dad is an out patient, meaning, no operation or chemo for 8 hours non stop

My best friend phoned me about 18 months ago to say she had cancer. She had her treatment as an outpatient, was very ill after each course but was home. When I see her tomorrow I must tell her what a drama queen she was

There are so many American experts on the RF on SM its amazing. 95% of what they're saying is completely wrong (made up)

Roussette · 08/02/2024 16:54

What is 'a colourful life'?

KatherineParr · 08/02/2024 16:56

However problematic the Harry/Charles relationship is, Charles would much rather his descendants succeed to the throne than Andrew. There is no way he would want to see Harry/Archie/Lilibet out of the Line of Succession and Andrew promoted.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/02/2024 16:59

KatherineParr · 08/02/2024 16:56

However problematic the Harry/Charles relationship is, Charles would much rather his descendants succeed to the throne than Andrew. There is no way he would want to see Harry/Archie/Lilibet out of the Line of Succession and Andrew promoted.

Not to mention Charles and Harry can’t just take Archie and Lilibet out of the line of succession, even if they did want

it would need an act of Parliament or the children being christened Catholic (and them being christened wouldn’t remove any future children of theirs)

goldierocks · 08/02/2024 17:08

Thomas Markle abandoned her to be brought up alone by the mother and only got back in touch when she became famous and there was a way for him to cash in on her.

I think Meghan's own recollections are somewhat different. She wrote the following post on her blog (The Tig) for Father's Day 2014:

"I think of so many moments with my dad; our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director. The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show."

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much. He helped me turn my bathroom into a darkroom when I was 12 because I wanted to be a photographer – shading my windows in red lighting gels and filling my cabinets with extra jugs of fixer. He put gas in my car when I went from audition trying to make it as an actress. He is the person who believed in this grand dream of mine well before I could even see it as a possibility. He taught me to write thank you notes, to always arrive early, to drink Arnold Palmers, to find my light when I’m on camera…and beyond."

"And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box. To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking Daddy – Happy Father’s Day. If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."

themessygarden · 08/02/2024 17:19

Thomas Markle abandoned her to be brought up alone by the mother and only got back in touch when she became famous and there was a way for him to cash in on her.

That is not true at all, according to Meghan, she was at her fathers workplace after school everyday.

Every day after school for 10 years, I was on the set of 'Married With Children,' which is a really funny and perverse place for a little girl in a Catholic school uniform to grow up,”

Wherediditgoto · 08/02/2024 17:22

Meghan lived with her father for most of the time after the divorce. How that translates to abandonment I am not quite sure.

Turtlerussell · 08/02/2024 17:22

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cheezncrackers · 08/02/2024 17:34

Surely M would want to curate his look on the day, suit etiquette etc, hardly straightforward. She doesn’t seem the type to go down to wire on anything, she’s a precision planned, perfectionist.

I admit that I struggle to believe this part of Thomas Markle's story. Doria's outfit was sorted out for her by Meghan, who apparently contacted Oscar de la Renta and asked him to design her mother's outfit. So I find it hard to believe that she just left her father to his own devices. He was going to be walking her down the aisle, after all, and I'm sure she'd have wanted him to look really sharp. Has she or any of the Sussex mouthpieces like OS ever addressed this? I can't bring myself to read the dross that he's written, but perhaps the other side to the story is out there?

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