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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

Harry’s office confirmed yes, he’d spoken to his dad, and that he’d be flying to see him in the next few days. What’s wrong with that?

Why did he need to say anything? No-one else has found it necessary to announce that they're going to see the King.

Yes, I think William is particularly bitter because there once was a close bond between him, Harry and Catherine. H & M (through Omid Scobie) do seem to have had the knives out for Catherine in particular

And H dragged W&C's children into it, saying WTTE that he saw it as his job to protect them from the trauma of being Spare, that he had experienced. W not surprisingly said his children's upbringing is none of H's business.

H & M (through Omid Scobie) do seem to have had the knives out for Catherine in particular for reasons we can guess at may never know

I think it's quite clear why they have their knives out for Catherine. Harry and Meghan clearly expected that Catherine would treat Meghan as a sister, equal and confidante from day one, that she would take Meghan out shopping, be her BFF, share her lip gloss (WTF? I don't share my lip gloss with anyone but the closest family members), and that Meghan would be treated the same as Catherine in the RF. But Catherine was cautious (wisely, as it turned out), reserved (as per her nature) and observed palace norms and protocol, which didn't go down well with Meghan 'I'm a hugger' Markle.

And then the press took Catherine's side and painted Meghan as the villain in the bridesmaid dresses saga and Catherine never defends anyone in the press, as per 'never complain and never explain' and that seems to have infuriated Meghan, who mistook Catherine's flowers for an apology when it was just her being nice and saying 'No hard feelings, despite the fact you made me cry'.

Please scroll up and you can read my thoughts re Thomas Markle. It will explain why I don’t think Meghan could ever forgive him. Well, I couldn’t if he was my father.

I think you, and others, might for forgetting that this relationship between Harry and certain members of his family involved thoughtless and selfish actions from both sides. It was not just all Harry. This seems to have been lost in the overwhelming need by some to have a bad guy, and for that bad guy to be Harry.

It seems that Harry’s overwhelming ‘crime’ is he talked about his family. It’s a ‘so what’ situation when you remember that Charles did also.

I criticise Harry for stuff too, but this thing about it being all his fault is absolute rubbish. The royals certainly have not acted as badly as Thomas Markle. God forbid I hope not.

Markle has exposed completely who he is to us all if we want to see.

Why did he need to say anything? No-one else has found it necessary to announce that they're going to see the King.
No one else lives overseas and has the weird role Harry now has. Didn’t Buck Pal drag him into it in the first place by confirming Charles had personally called his sons and siblings? Why is it OK for BP to chat about the phone calls but not OK for Harry to chat about the visit?

'Please scroll up and you can read my thoughts re Thomas Markle. It will explain why I don’t think Meghan could ever forgive him. Well, I couldn’t if he was my father.'

Yep, as we all know it seems to be one rule for Harry and another for everyone else.

So what he announced he's coming over. He's the only son living thousands of miles away, and no doubt he did it to immediately cut off what would be immediate toxic press headlines "where is Harry" or "Harry doesn't care"

He came, he saw his father (and reports indicate it was a warm meeting. Disclaimer, no idea how true that is)
He went

There is no story. I bet the Express and such like are mad.

That’s all you got from my post?

okay

What reports say it was a warm meeting, can you link?

What reports said it wasn’t?

Yes, he came over paid a visit for 45mins, no problem.

Considering his wealth, he can,no doubt, do this multiple times if he wants. No different from any other son visiting his parent.

People go on about illness bringing people closer together but that is not necessarily the case. As you get older you realise that life is short but too short to spend with pratts and people who bring negativity to your life.

Exactly, we know it wasn’t 45 as that is impossible, as that was entrance and exit time, but anything up to say 35, what difference does it make.

Love this visual!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/prince-harry-flies-back-to-us-king-charles-cancer/#:~:text=He%20is%20said%20to%20have,face%20meeting%20for%2016%20months.

Before I get jumped on for that report, please note, I did say I have no idea how true it is but it says 'he is said to have enjoyed a "warm" meeting with his father'

MM is extremely smart, savvy & ultra sophisticated, TM, less so. TM appears to be big hearted & to have been generous in the past. MM must have been aware of how things might play out with TM, he needed careful onboarding, her relationship was blindsiding.

Many were out to exploit & he seems to have been led by the nose. Very sad all round.

The thing is, Thomas Markle's ill feelings towards Meghan are as a direct result of her rejection of him. She hasn't seen him since before her wedding. Harry has never met him. He was supposed to be walking her down the aisle until he had a heart attack! She cut him off because he (stupidly, but not maliciously) allowed a photographer to take photos of him supposedly getting fitted for his father of the bride suit in Mexico. I'm not sure what happened, but he said that no one from the palace helped him in the run-up to the wedding, gave him any advice, assisted him in sorting out his suit, or warned him not to co-operate with photographers or journalists. So he was completely out of his depth, a modest man living on a low income in Mexico who was suddenly going to be an intrinsic part of a royal wedding with an audience of a billion people. He must've been absolutely terrified and was clearly completely out of his depth. And then he had a heart attack and she cut him off and hasn't seen or spoken to him since.

I don't condone the things he's said or the way he's gone on TV to complain about her and her behaviour, but I think the way she's treated him is disgusting. He's her father. He raised her after her mother buggered off when she was a child. Doria may be a big part of her life now, but it was Thomas who raised Meghan and paid for her private school and university. The reason she hung around film and TV sets when she was a child was because he was raising her as a single dad.

I didn't know Camilla was there. I'm glad. She wouldn't allow Harry to give the King any grief over anything PLUS she would be a witness to whatever is said so Harry can't twist it.

Where is everyone getting the news about the 12 minutes and that Camilla was there? I can't find any articles like that. Thanks!

Oh, I hope she did!

I thought this. I would tell him cancer of the X and it’s really cancer of the Y and time how long it takes to come out.

@cheezncrackers
Thomas Markle abandoned her to be brought up alone by the mother and only got back in touch when she became famous and there was a way for him to cash in on her. How do you know what is and isn’t malicious? He hardly meant well.
How does it serve you to demonise her and take up for him?
I wish it would all just be left alone so that they can all put it behind them and move forward in a better way.

@cheezncrackers spot on & if we were MM we could surely predict, for all the reasons you eloquently state, that the wheels would likely come off if he was in at the deep end.

Surely M would want to curate his look on the day, suit etiquette etc, hardly straightforward. She doesn’t seem the type to go down to wire on anything, she’s a precision planned, perfectionist.

I’d have brought him over in very good time if I wanted him there.

But Catherine was cautious (wisely, as it turned out), reserved (as per her nature) and observed palace norms and protocol,

And at the time of H&M's engagement and wedding, was going through a difficult pregnancy, with two young children, and then had a newborn. I doubt if girly shopping trips were the first thing on her mind.

RE the part about Harry having knives out for Catherine. My guess is that Meghan filled his ear with so much crap about Catherine and how badly she treated Meghan that Harry started to believe it. Harry and Catherine had such a good relationship prior to Meghan's appearance.

I thought he had an early, pivotal role & paid for her education? What are the facts? Did he give her away at her first marriage?

This would have been a great idea!