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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

@Bookmark1111 , I don't think Harry ever thinks about anything in the future!
He was very careful to deflect his barbs away from the top spot ( his grandmother the queen!) but surely most people would realise that she was very old and would not rule forever, now he's deflecting criticisms from Charles to William ( again unable to see his father isn't that young and won't rule forever!)
If he'd actually thought about things long term he might have not pissed of the next in line!

I don’t think William will do anything to proactively aggravate them, he will simply not engage, but yes if they go further than spare, with more tawdry tales, he would likely act much more than his father would. I think Williams current position is no contact.

i don’t think harry and Megan will go further though, what they seem to be wanting to do, is get back in there, and reaffirm the connections. Hence why they went all out to ensure the press knew harry was coming over.

the problem Harry and Megan have is they need to try to fix this whilst Charles is still on the throne. As they’ve no chance with William.

unfortunately for them they keep fucking it up. This visit is a case in point. If he had simply come over at a time convenient to Charles and done so discreetly, it would have been a first small step.

coming over immediately, which made the the public initially think Charles must be sicker than he said, escalating the headlines to be all about Harry and making it an even bigger deal, notifying the media of his travel plans so he could be photographed, putting out a statement, and now Megan seeing the paps and driving out grinning like a fool, so she also could be photographed, was just more of the same shit.

The father and son narrative works in initial feelings but once in a room together they are two grown men were one blames you for everything, who hates your wife, hates your over son and daughter in law, happy to use his niece and nephew as fodder and made your parents life less happier in their final years. Oh and willing to put every conversation in a book or interview. People talk about building a bridge, I think I need a lobotomy. As for Harry if everything is as bad as his book, if these people are toxic that you estrange yourself from then unfortunately that includes sickness

@Janetime

escalating the headlines to be all about Harry and making it an even bigger deal, notifying the media of his travel plans so he could be photographed

When the announcement of PHs plans came out there was a comment on another forum along the lines it perhaps being a case of:

"Get in there early and make it all about me"

I thought it was a bit nasty at the time but looking at the MSM over the last few days either by accident or design that seems to have happened.

Yes, the one thing that flies in the face of “poor Harry dashing to see his beloved father - leave him alone” narrative from some posters is that pompous announcement from the Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. There was absolutely no need for it… except to make it all about Harry.

To repeat …. It’s not about Harry or indeed any other family member . You take your cue from the person who has cancer ( or whatever serious illness ).
Yes, I have had cancer . I was terrified and needed time to come to terms with the diagnosis. My DC etc understood that but then they aren’t selfish.
The fact that the King had issued an upbeat statement and was determined to stick to his plan of going to Sandringham shows that Harry would have been better to wait thus stoping the immediate “ The King must be dying speculation “ and also not further increased his carbon footprint.,

Harry did seem to make QE2's final day all about him as well. All the arguments with KC about whether Meghan should be there when KC's mother had just died.

Of course if you loved your father and found out he had cancer you would rush to see him

No, you might fly across the world for a chance to say goodbye, and ordinary people might fly to a parent who had no one else on hand to make sure everything was in place for their care. It isn’t normal to make a transatlantic round trip to see someone for 30 minutes, especially when that person has just begun immunosuppressive treatment and you are 100% confident that they have the best possible medical and aftercare in place and other family members close at hand to keep an eye on things. AND your visit will incite press speculation including that the person is sicker than they currently are. It was performative and highly dramatic.

Yes the fact the palace are making it clear that harry undertook this rushed visit, effectively clearly against his fathers advice and desire to do so close to the announcement and after his first treatment.

I can only imagine the mounting horror they must have felt when they realised not only was Harry going to do it for what he would have agreed was a quick 30 mins visit, delaying his sick fathers plans to go to sandringham, and knowing full well if th4 media got hold it would make this even bigger headlines and people would suspect was Charles was sicker than he is…but that they had actually kicked off a major full on press assault to go with it and ensured it was as heavily publicised as it could be. They literally picked the moment it was hottest.

then as Harry is on his way back, paps waiting outside the house, and Megan rushing out to take the opportunity so she too is photographed, and oddly, grinning like a fool with delight and drinking from a mug whilst driving.

I don't think Harry ever thinks about anything in the future!

I don't think he thinks about consequences of actions, either, or how people might react. I'm sure writing Spare and all the rest of the interviews and what have you has been cathartic for him, but there seems to be no reflection on 'how will my family feel when they read what I think about them?' it's immediate gratification and what makes him feel better in the moment.

I agree @MrsDanversGlidesAgain - it doesn't seem to occur to him that other people have feelings as well, it is all about him, his truth, how badly he's been treated. No idea that his actions have hurt other people. The way children often can't quite see adults as real people with real feelings.

the only people who seem to care about Harry visiting his dad are people like the posters on here. the only people who are making it all about harry are the people like the posters on here.

Of course if you loved your father and found out he had cancer you would rush to see him. Why would you even consider the 'optics'

When I learned that DM was terminal we were separated by 10,000 miles. I asked if she wanted to see me because I had no idea what her day to day health was like and if she was up to what was going to be a pretty emotional visit (and as it turned out it was the last time I saw her). I was there for two weeks and she was adamant that I take time out sometimes and not dance attendance at her bedside all the time. There weren't any 'optics', it was about what SHE wanted, not me.

Indeed @MrsDanversGlidesAgain !
I'm also surprised at all the " of course Harry wanted to see his father , he loves him!"

Harry loves his father....mmmm perhaps 🤔 but clearly not that much , if I love someone genuinely as a rule of thumb, I tend not to spend years slagging them off publicly!
Accuse them of being racist, abusive and cold , unloving and deliberately cutting me off financially and removing my security!

He seems quite immaturely stuck. He has a lot of time, money and anger but he’s messed up with selling his family and it’ll be harder when his father goes

12 minutes according to Lady Colin Campbell.

I suspect Harry’s getting a tad worried about what will happen should his father be unable to bail him out/subsidise his lifestyle because I imagine William won’t be as indulgent.
Perhaps he hopes everything will be back to normal if he just pops over every now and again.
Personally I hope William continues to ignore him, there’s little chance of Harry being judged trustworthy, is there?

I think you need to get off mumsnet and look at all the news outlets. 😳

was she on GB News with her extensive knowledge 🤔

Yep

I suspect Harry’s getting a tad worried about what will happen should his father be unable to bail him out/subsidise his lifestyle because I imagine William won’t be as indulgent

I read a comment about Diana that she had an almost Sicilian taste for revenge on people who had upset her. I'm getting the feeling that PW might be the same - piss him off and you know it.

Just long enough to sign the papers

Well that's not true isnt just a mumsnet thing, it's all over twitter and has been discussed at length on current affairs programmes.

He's an, arrogant attention seeking twerp. Good the rf mostly all ignore him except his df who is a better and more tolerant man than Harold could ever hope to be.

What papers @Brumbies ?
Have I missed something again?
I'm always late to the party!!😭

Why on earth should William be the one to build a bridge?! Harry has acted staggeringly appallingly for years. I know no-one would want to read a book about mine or your families but if my brother wrote a book about me and my husband and my family slagging me off repeatedly and gratuitously then I absolutely would not be the one trying to build a bridge.

It must be infuriating to be related to Harry. He had precisely zero self awareness. He has a total victim complex and seems unwilling or unable to see that his actions may have consequences.