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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

this is just another bad decision in a long line of bad decisions. What a fool. He should have come over at a time that worked for his dad, based on how he was feeling. This impulsive rush to be seen to be there for him has just back fired. Once again.

And wasn’t so keen to notify the paps when he was heading home , that will be why he stayed in a hotel, so he could try to make a clean get away.

he really is a complete tool,

and it won’t even have been 45 min meeting, by the time he got in and settled and his dad will have needed time to get out, into the car he likely saw him for 25-30 mins max.

Whilst I still think Harry was being over dramatically, and shouldn't have come so soon, it has dawned on me what would I have done if I was Charles.... and all would be forgiven, as I love my children too much to carry petty quarrels and ill feelings forever more. I would've been careful on what I said, but I'd have offered more of a welcome (including an overnight stay at Sandringham). I can't help but think as a father, Christian, Head of the Church of England, he should have showed forgiveness and reconciliation.

However Charles might have still been in shock, and gathering his thoughts, after all Harry's haste!

What makes you think Harry wasn’t asked to go to sandringham and discreetly, and not do this bizzare in and out thing? Thay he is now known for?

Oh please you don't have the slightest clue what you would have done in the kings position. You have no clue what so ever his mind set after his diagnosis or how he feels from his treatment so far or how he feels from his operation.

You cannot put yourself in his shoes if you don't have the foggiest idea of his health, energy levels, pain levels, mindset or the pressure he is under.

According to Cancer Research Uk the majority of cancer cases are in people aged 50 or over and keeps increasing with age.

George V1 died aged 56 lung cancer, heavy smoker
Duke of Windsor 77 throat cancer, heavy smoker
The Queen died at 96
Queen Mother died at 101

Age and lifestyle would have caused their cancers I don’t think they have a particular genetic predisposition to getting cancer, if George V1 and the Duke of Windsor hadn’t smoked they could possibly have lived as long as the Queen and her Mother.

My friend D's is in the forces and apparently they have been told to be on stand by and they have been practicing drills for if the king passes. Not sure if this is standard practice though if RF have a serious illness and there is a possibility of them not recovering hopefully it's just a precaution 🤷

Maybe they hadn't made the spare bed up?

I thought it was standard practice. When the late queen was alive, wasn’t it every few months or something that London Bridge was performed so they knew what to do and whether any details had changed

Maybe Harry was just as in the dark about how serious the cancer was as they didn't want it leaked and so it had to be done face to face? He has spoken about not being allowed to get through to his father before. Who knows.

It's made me feel so sad for Harry. He is coming over to see his Dad and to make peace I think. To demonstrate his love and his Dad scoots off to Sandringham. How awfully sad to do that to your child. No matter what they've done. And to be fair he hasn't done THAT much. Just told it as it is.
Deeply wierd.

Yes he is a new recruit but they have only started practicing and being told to be in stand by apparently they had the call! I guess even the forces don't know the extent and are just preparing for the worst in this situation.

Charles spoke to both his sons to relay the news . What had to be said face to face that couldn’t be said on the phone or zoom ?

Wonder if his return flight was booked at the same time as his outward flight?

If so it never left much time for meeting up with anyone else should they have wanted to.

Harry didn’t betray his family, they betrayed him. For what? Marrying a black American? I’ve been on MN long enough to know how xenophobic the English can be.

What now? What makes you think for one moment Charles wanted this hoo ha? And not for Harry to come over discreetly and have a quiet visit with him at sandringham? And not this utter pr stunt, flying in and out, notifying all the media about his arrival, big police presence, photographed at lax, and arriving at Heathrow, but a very discreet scuttle out/

you’d need to be highly naive to think Harry had stopped pulling dramatic shit like this and Charles had a sudden change of peronality and it was all his idea.

clearly Harry wanted to see his father at Clarence House and fuck off home again, and notified the media of his grand gesture. Same old.

😂Haha Black American, she spent her entire life claiming she was white, even on her resumes.

She's biracial at best, most of us did not even know until after they left and she used it as a weapon.

To demonstrate his love and his Dad scoots off to Sandringham

You’ve interpreted it as to demonstrate his love, but given the last few years of their relationship, and knowing his son as he does, Charles may not have interpreted the gesture that way. Nor, given Harry’s public statement about what he was doing, may it even have been the uppermost motive in Harry’s mind. It would be nice to ascribe only the best of intentions to him, but that may not be particularly likely.

And, as others have said, your personal wishes really aren’t the most important thing when someone else is dealing with a cancer diagnosis and treatment.

Did he book with Travalyst? What would they have to say about two Transatlantic flights in as many days?

It’s not about Harry ( or shouldn’t be !) .
If he wants to demonstrate his love for his father and family maybe he could stop slagging them off !

Maybe he was invited to Sandringham and refused to go / couldn't go?

It's all pure speculation.

Absolutely it was, Charles’s diary will have been scheduled to the tee. From the helicopter to staff knowing he was arriving at sandringham and preparing, and Harry will had his flights and transport and hotel booked .

I am quite nauseated he’s done this, leaked to the media he’s coming, knowing his dad was leaving for sandringham , just coming so he could be seen to come but soend minimal time., he leaked it so much they even saw him at lax, then he tried to sneak out, clearly he was a planned departure.

this was Harry’s plan. I feel so sorry for Charles, even during this time in his life his son is still fucking about and making it about him,

Charles starting treatment maybe have been told to isolate now. So Sandringham would be off the table. Camilla will need to be careful too.

What about the Queen's feelings? It's her home too and if I were Camilla, I would be very reluctant to spend any time in Harry's company because of the things he'd said and written about me. Why should the King show forgiveness and reconciliation to Harry at the expense of her?

I can't help but think as a father, Christian, Head of the Church of England, he should have showed forgiveness and reconciliation.

Harry has been welcome at QEII’s funeral, Charles coronation, and Charles has spared time to meet him this week.I think Charles is demonstrating quite clearly that Harry is still a member of his family, rather than being entirely cut off. I can’t see Church of England expecting him to doors than that, to be honest. (And Charles is said to be a man of faith, I imagine he prays for Harry too).

Very hard for Charles to give Harry any information without it leaking.

It's impossible for him.

I think Harry's dash speaks volumes about his love for the his dad. I hope the meeting no matter how much short and cold (location) was cordial and without camilla. I hope it's the first step in a reconciliation.