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King Charles has cancer

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CormorantStrikesBack · 05/02/2024 18:01

Just announced on the bbc, doesn’t say what sort yet. Hope he’s going to be ok.

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Cosmiccrash485 · 06/02/2024 14:21

CoffeeCantata · 06/02/2024 12:25

Hopefully the silver lining is that this can bring the family back together. Life is short after all

I see a kind of reconciliation between Harry and his father, but not with other family members (esp not William and Catherine - bridges have been well and truly burnt there) and not where Meghan is concerned.

I think that Charles would be glad to have Harry back in touch, but I can also see that it will stir up trouble with other family members who feel they've been the subject of a vendetta by Harry and Meghan. I'm sorry, but with the most optimistic view of human nature, I don't see W and C ever being at ease with H & M again.

I'm sure that the wider family (W, C, Anne for eg) would regard H & M re-entering the RF as a further opportunity for them to gather material for more attacks, and just wouldn't be prepared to meet them unless in the company of witnesses/courtiers and lawyers.

The majority of people disagree with this but if they actually read what Harry has said about other members of the RF in Spare, and ignore what was said in all of the many articles written about the book, or listen to media interviews about what was written, then they’d see he portrayed his family in a fairly reasonable way tbh.

None of the portrayals were particularly harsh. Nothing that would prevent a proper reconciliation imho. The press have a way of amplifying feuds for financial gain. And Harry was naieve about the public’s reaction to the book and how it would be quoted and spun, and he was outmanoeuvred in the hands of interviewers and broadcasters much more skilled than him, for huge royalties. Yes even Oprah wasn’t interviewing them out of the goodness of her heart.

I also think Harry had some justification for feeling hurt and discarded. And that his wife experienced bias because of her colour, her feminism, her profession, her independence and not least her nationality. It was two completely different worlds colliding.

It all blew up at a difficult time of transition for the RF. Prince Philip was gravely ill. The late Queen was still in control but perhaps stepping back. Charles was stepping forward but didn’t quite yet have the final say. The pandemic happened. No one was properly on top of things or leading and I think Harry and his wife fell through the cracks.

This is all speculation on my part but it’s reasonable to assume that Harry, having been brought up right in the heart of things, and being really skilled at his job and popular, with his mother’s ease with the public, thought his marriage would be the point where his supporting role would be recognised officially with a title perhaps, that he would receive a gift of a decent home or estate for him and his wife and his future family.

After all, his Uncle Andrew who did his job poorly and was subject to serious, sleazy, allegations, was accommodated in comfort in an enormous mansion on the Windsor estate? Surely Harry was deserving of at least the same respect?

But no, Harry, possibly still suffering the lingering prejudice against his mother, by Charles and Camilla, was humiliated in front of his wife by being offered a small “cottage” - small being a relative term in royal circles 😃 - and his role was unclear - and his wife, in his eyes, disrespected. Add in a few racist comments from family members and you can see how it all exploded.

A bright senior courtier could have foreseen the issue and had a word in various ears and headed all of this off at the pass. Instead of which, Harry, excited by the prospect of his marriage and full of hope for the future, but also being impulsive and easily hurt by yet again being put second, exploded at what he considered to be lack of respect, made demands and handled it all badly and went off in a huff.

And the RF handled it badly too. The interesting question though is why?

Was it all bad timing, the pandemic, Prince Philip’s decline and the late Queen’s diminishing control?

Or was it that KC wanted to support his son but had to once again put Camilla’s views ahead of his son?

Or was Harry’s fraternal relationship with William so poor that he and M were always going to be banished to “mouldy” Nottm cottage?

Who knows?

Let’s hope they can put it all behind them.

<PS I desperately need funds to refurbish our bathroom so if any royalty magazine or any publication needs a royal correspondent where facts don’t particularly matter, please could they drop me a line? 😉😂>

jeffgoldblum · 06/02/2024 14:21

Ahhh thanks @smilesy ! , I was confused for a moment and thought I'd missed something!

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CC49 · 06/02/2024 14:22

smilesy · 06/02/2024 14:18

I think the poster is confused, Jeff. He was allowed to wear his medals. No one can stop him doing that. It was the uniform he wasn’t allowed to wear. Same as the veterans at the cenotaph.

That's correct -- he wore them all; even his participation awards.

The only medal he didn't wear recently was at the Coronation: the Coronation medal that his father gave him. That was Harry's choice.

jeffgoldblum · 06/02/2024 14:23

@CC49 👍 cheers!

Serenster · 06/02/2024 14:26

Yes, and Harry not being allowed wear the medals he actually did earn

Harry has 4 medals that he regularly wears (as smilesy said, he’s never been prevented from wearing any of them).

Like his brother William, he has a medal for each of the Golden, Diamond and Platinum Jubilees. He also has a Afghanistan Service Medal, for his tours in Afghanistan.

You can see the two brothers here at their vigil for their grandmothers.Three identical medals, plus Harry’s silver medal on the left.

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CC49 · 06/02/2024 14:27

@Cosmiccrash485 "After all, his Uncle Andrew who did his job poorly and was subject to serious, sleazy, allegations, was accommodated in comfort in an enormous mansion on the Windsor estate? Surely Harry was deserving of at least the same respect?

But no, Harry, possibly still suffering the lingering prejudice against his mother, by Charles and Camilla, was humiliated in front of his wife by being offered a small “cottage” - small being a relative term in royal circles 😃"

Andrew was the son of the monarch. Harry was the grandson. Perhaps if he had stuck around, he might have found himself in a larger home.

But I agree that Harry is deserving of the same respect as Andrew. Exactly the same respect.

jeffgoldblum · 06/02/2024 14:28

Informative as ushal @Serenster 👍

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 06/02/2024 14:28

But no, Harry, possibly still suffering the lingering prejudice against his mother, by Charles and Camilla, was humiliated in front of his wife by being offered a small “cottage” - small being a relative term in royal circles 😃 - and his role was unclear - and his wife, in his eyes, disrespected. Add in a few racist comments from family members and you can see how it all exploded.

Harry wasn't offered Nottingham Cottage when he met/married Meghan. He moved in there in 2013/2014 after William, Kate and George moved into Kensington Palace. Well before he met Meghan.

It was expected they'd also move into Kensington Palace (the large Apartment 1 was coming available as the Gloucesters were downsizing), but opted for Frogmore Cottage instead.

He wasn't being expected to live in Nottingham Cottage any longer than William did.

Serenster · 06/02/2024 14:29

(I should add, for completeness,in the pictures above, Harry is wearing the star of the Royal Victorian order around his neck - a gift from his grandmother. William is wearing his bright blue sash of the Order of the Garter - again a gift from his grandmother).

mayorofcasterbridge · 06/02/2024 14:29

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 06/02/2024 07:36

I think if we did a straw poll of most of the young adults (and I mean from teenagers through to adults in their 20s) the vast majority don’t see the RF as relevant at all. You will always get the Essex girl/home county type who’ll love them for the pomp and ceremony no matter what though. So what are the RF going to do about it, long term? Hate to say it but would’ve Megan brought in a refreshed RF if she and H had been allowed?!

M&H were the ones who bowed out??

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 06/02/2024 14:29

Cosmiccrash485 · 06/02/2024 14:21

The majority of people disagree with this but if they actually read what Harry has said about other members of the RF in Spare, and ignore what was said in all of the many articles written about the book, or listen to media interviews about what was written, then they’d see he portrayed his family in a fairly reasonable way tbh.

None of the portrayals were particularly harsh. Nothing that would prevent a proper reconciliation imho. The press have a way of amplifying feuds for financial gain. And Harry was naieve about the public’s reaction to the book and how it would be quoted and spun, and he was outmanoeuvred in the hands of interviewers and broadcasters much more skilled than him, for huge royalties. Yes even Oprah wasn’t interviewing them out of the goodness of her heart.

I also think Harry had some justification for feeling hurt and discarded. And that his wife experienced bias because of her colour, her feminism, her profession, her independence and not least her nationality. It was two completely different worlds colliding.

It all blew up at a difficult time of transition for the RF. Prince Philip was gravely ill. The late Queen was still in control but perhaps stepping back. Charles was stepping forward but didn’t quite yet have the final say. The pandemic happened. No one was properly on top of things or leading and I think Harry and his wife fell through the cracks.

This is all speculation on my part but it’s reasonable to assume that Harry, having been brought up right in the heart of things, and being really skilled at his job and popular, with his mother’s ease with the public, thought his marriage would be the point where his supporting role would be recognised officially with a title perhaps, that he would receive a gift of a decent home or estate for him and his wife and his future family.

After all, his Uncle Andrew who did his job poorly and was subject to serious, sleazy, allegations, was accommodated in comfort in an enormous mansion on the Windsor estate? Surely Harry was deserving of at least the same respect?

But no, Harry, possibly still suffering the lingering prejudice against his mother, by Charles and Camilla, was humiliated in front of his wife by being offered a small “cottage” - small being a relative term in royal circles 😃 - and his role was unclear - and his wife, in his eyes, disrespected. Add in a few racist comments from family members and you can see how it all exploded.

A bright senior courtier could have foreseen the issue and had a word in various ears and headed all of this off at the pass. Instead of which, Harry, excited by the prospect of his marriage and full of hope for the future, but also being impulsive and easily hurt by yet again being put second, exploded at what he considered to be lack of respect, made demands and handled it all badly and went off in a huff.

And the RF handled it badly too. The interesting question though is why?

Was it all bad timing, the pandemic, Prince Philip’s decline and the late Queen’s diminishing control?

Or was it that KC wanted to support his son but had to once again put Camilla’s views ahead of his son?

Or was Harry’s fraternal relationship with William so poor that he and M were always going to be banished to “mouldy” Nottm cottage?

Who knows?

Let’s hope they can put it all behind them.

<PS I desperately need funds to refurbish our bathroom so if any royalty magazine or any publication needs a royal correspondent where facts don’t particularly matter, please could they drop me a line? 😉😂>

The thing for me is Nottingham Cottage was good enough for William and Kate but not for Harry and Meghan - why?

And I’ve read Spare (for book club!!) and I found him to love his father but a bit spiteful (why say about his neck pain?) in some respects and incredibly spiteful towards William & Kate. I can’t remember anything about Camilla and I don’t want to trawl through it again. I also found the tone changed part way through almost as a different writer was used.

PinkTonic · 06/02/2024 14:33

He is quite entitled to visit his father and it is a private matter between the two of them

indeed, so no need at all for his ‘office’ to announce it!

Personally I think rushing across the Atlantic immediately following the announcement is rather dramatic unless time is short, which we are told is not the case.

I feel free to have an opinion on this because it’s all over the media and Harry and his people have shared the information.

Roussette · 06/02/2024 14:33

@Cosmiccrash485 Your post is absolutely spot on. I agree with all you say. The money's in the post 😂🤣

Seriously though, you have nailed it

moomoomoo27 · 06/02/2024 14:39

It's an open secret that Camilla threw the other royals (especially Harry) under the bus to the press on a constant basis to prevent them publishing negative stories about her. She felt like she had to do it to prevent her being the evil one because Diana was loved so much. And it's worked, because she has a much better reputation than she otherwise would have.

I don't like her - she was laughing and smirking at Lindsey Hoyle's northern accent during his words at the coronation.

So if you hate Harry/Meghan today, it's because you've been manipulated by decades of media control. If you notice, there are never any negative stories about her.

Even though it was in exceptionally bad taste to originally choose Paris as the first foreign city to visit as queen.

JoanThursday1972 · 06/02/2024 14:41

For Christ's sake this is about Charles being ill. Harry is coming, just leave it, I don't care for him or Meghan but I feel sorry for him at the moment.

Dinoswearunderpants · 06/02/2024 14:42

My poor Dad sent me the article. He is also undergoing investigations for an enlarged prostate so I think it's really worried him.

I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

It's sad to think though that he won't have to fight with the NHS for tests, appointments, results etc like my poor Dad is.

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Mirabai · 06/02/2024 14:46

And the RF handled it badly too. The interesting question though is why?

Because they’re not very bright, they live in a fishbowl and their staff and advisors monarchy-obsessed, very conservative and cut off from the real world.

It’s complete mismanagement to let a disgruntled employee, who could be an asset to the firm, resign in a dudgeon, set up a rival operation and brief against his old employer. That’s what golden handshakes and NDAs are for!

Roussette · 06/02/2024 14:47

A very interesting first ever post on MN from you @Southdweller A PA. on me.

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@Roussette is never personal, which was the point she was making.

In fact, I’ve never got the impression that poster cares much for H&M she just dislikes the obsessive bitching. And I must say it’s really unattractive.

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Thanks. You agree with a first time ever poster coming on MN and criticising another poster like that.
Got you.

NCing at its best.

Cosmiccrash485 · 06/02/2024 14:50

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 06/02/2024 14:28

But no, Harry, possibly still suffering the lingering prejudice against his mother, by Charles and Camilla, was humiliated in front of his wife by being offered a small “cottage” - small being a relative term in royal circles 😃 - and his role was unclear - and his wife, in his eyes, disrespected. Add in a few racist comments from family members and you can see how it all exploded.

Harry wasn't offered Nottingham Cottage when he met/married Meghan. He moved in there in 2013/2014 after William, Kate and George moved into Kensington Palace. Well before he met Meghan.

It was expected they'd also move into Kensington Palace (the large Apartment 1 was coming available as the Gloucesters were downsizing), but opted for Frogmore Cottage instead.

He wasn't being expected to live in Nottingham Cottage any longer than William did.

Quite right YetMoreNewBeginnings thank you,
I meant Frogmore not Nottingham. Apologies.

The point is I think the son of the future monarch should be accommodated on the same level as a sibling of the monarch. Princess Anne has Gatcombe. Edward has Bagshot. Andrew has his old pile (name?).

Or did the rather nebulous “slimming down” exercise only apply to Harry?

KC has plenty of spare residences if he didn’t want to fork out for a new one!

I don’t think Harry was treated well but agree that perhaps he should have been more patient.

Maybe though he thought his chances of favour were better with his grandmother than with his father?

It’s pretty terrible though to be an active man in your thirties and have to beg for favours and have your fate rest in the hands of others. What must that do to a person psychologically?

Hazza obviously didn’t have the skills or patience to play the diplomatic game. Maybe it’s better for him that he’s off trying to earn his own living?

JSMill · 06/02/2024 14:51

I'm entitled to my opinion Roussette. I have observed exactly the same thing about you. I wouldn't know if it's the first time someone has posted as I am not obsessed with this stuff.

wildernesssw · 06/02/2024 14:54

It’s pretty terrible though to be an active man in your thirties and have to beg for favours and have your fate rest in the hands of others.

He is a multi-millionaire - inherited, not earned - he doesn't have to beg for favours and his 'fate' is entirely in his own hands. I realise he feels sorry for himself about not having even more, but I struggle to find sympathy for that.

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