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I’ve just typed out a bit of a grumpy post wilderness

I’m just going to agree with your last post for now…

This is what you posted after my description of paparazzi behaviour in Toronto:

Mylovelygreendress Yesterday 23:23

“I thought the Toronto Chief of Police totally dismissed Meghan’s claims ?”

I said I had seen no such dismissal.

Then you introduced a link to his response to Netflix (a different tithing) in order to support your assertion that he had dismissed any papparazi harassment.

Again, the police bloke doesn’t disagree with Meghan’s assertion of bad papparazi behaviour. He disagrees with her assertion that the police did not do enough.

He dismissed her claims on Netflix because ( yet again) she lied .

Make that 3 of us @ArcaneWirelessand @wildernesssw.

A reminder mygreendress. My post was about the papparazi harassing Meghan and Kate (and Sienna too).

The Toronto police bloke did not dismiss the bad behaviour of the paparazzi.

Its so blatantly obvious that Meghan is a target for photographers because there are constant images of her in the media on a daily basis. They obviously can’t get enough because images are reprinted over and over again. When one media outlet gets a new image of her it is used repeatedly in other media outlets. She’s in big demand. And everything the woman wears is sold out with in hours. She’s a phenomenon in that regard.

She’s such a phenomenon that media stoke the interest in her by rushing immediately to try and disprove anything Meghan has said. And they will drag up the same old stories about her over and over again.

I don't doubt Meghan had paparazzi outside her home, but to what extent is an unknown because I don't think there are any photos from there.

In the Netflix series, it turned out the images they used of the paparazzi stalking them were from paparazzi following Katie Price and other events that had nothing to do with Meghan or Harry, for some reason it had to be exaggerated / falsified to fit in with a narrative. It's clear it wasn't on the same level as what Catherine endured though.

A lot of the pap type photos we see of her now, appear to be staged rather than random photogs chasing her.

I have no idea why we cannot agree that the women who married in the RF were subjected to horrific press staking and intimidation by them, along with scurrilous stories and unwanted attention.
(By the way, Meghan can release what pics she wants now, she is not a working Royal)

Instead some posters are hellbent on picking out one particular woman to try and do everything possible to dismiss, minimise and discount what she went through. Yes it was different to other members of the RF, no, that doesn't mean it wasn't bad. Surely we can between us agree on just ONE thing?
The levels some had it at different times were for different reasons and it was awful for all of them. But it's not a competition, we don't have to put up pictures to try and prove one royal had it worse than another, and one didn't have it all.
Talking of pictures, we should be looking at the bigger picture and shouting from the rooftops this is wrong, why is it still prevelant and us women should take every opportunity to say so. Just think what it's going to be like for George and Louis's respective wives. God help them. As usual the British public will want to lap up every picture, every article about them, but we need to rethink this before we have another Diana, another Kate, another Meghan. The symbiotic relationship between the press and the palace needs desperate change

why is it still prevelant and us women should take every opportunity to say so

Oh purlease...most average women have enough on their plate without worrying about the press intrusion on a couple of incredibly privileged, wealthy women who choose to marry into the royal family.

No-one is disagreeing that they have been subjected to press intrusion and sometimes it went beyond the realms of decency. The type of chasing and harassment in the photo above of Catherine and those we have seen of Diana, surrounded by photographers and being filmed right in her face, are absolutely horrendous. The comment that 'Meghan's house in Toronto was besieged" doesn't appear to be accurate at all. The neighbour being offered money was something which Meghan claimed, and while I could have missed it, I don't think that was ever corroborated by any of her neighbours at the time.

Fortunately, I think things have changed since Diana's death, we never see that kind of crazy scramble anymore.

I rest my case. Minimise and reject.
And demand evidence

Absolutely, evidence is key !!

Before I fell asleep I was about to add that none of the neighbours admitted to anyone other than Meghan that they had been offered money or had agreed to set up cameras .
I totally agree that the women who get involved with the men of the RF seem to be harassed in a way that the male partners don’t. I also agree that they shouldn’t just have to put up with it however it’s the idea that Meghan had it worse that people ( including me) don’t agree with . Yes there were racist comments on Twitter etc however ,in my opinion , the majority of reports were positive in the beginning. But that has been discussed endlessly !
The good thing is that things appear to have improved since Catherine . To the best of my knowledge , Meghan was never chased down a street with cameras a few inches away from her , nor was she uoskirted, nor has she been ( unwillingly) photographed topless .
The clip on Netflix with the lone delivery guy on a scooter and the near catastrophic car chase appears to confirm that recent pap photos are staged .

Surely evidence is what we all should be looking for, and using for our opinions?

I'm not sure why wanting evidence is a problem?

So... you need 'evidence' from a neighbour thousands of miles away. OK. Good luck with that! Maybe you could contact the ex neighbour to prove to your satisfaction that Meghan was lying?
Doubttful, given the Suits producer is on video confirming that they had to put in huge security measures whilst Meghan was still working there. It was really bad, and they had to move all the actors' trailers and lock them together, people were breaking in, and he was terrified someone would be waiting in her trailer for her. So much so, NBC had to hire security to get her to and from work and home. Was he lying? (I have a link)

As I said before and have said endlessly, they have all been subjected to press intrusion. In different ways because of different times. Why you have to demand evidence I do not know. It's obvious Meghan was subjected to press intrusion (as were all the other female married in RF members), now... that type of treatment might not be identical to another person's treatment. Surely we can accept that?
I don't know why I'm asking because it seems not.

The competition was set up my M on Oprah and Netflix, elevating her experiences over those of Catherine, and minimising Catherine’s to mere rudeness. If M & H and their supporters don’t want their statements scrutinised; and if they don’t want their statements checked for evidenciary validity, when they are making incredibly serious accusations and seeking, through their causes, to make changes to freedom of the press and social media, then they need to stop making these statements.

Unfortunately @Roussette , Meghan has previous for lying which is why some people are sceptical.
Harry too by the way .

So the problem isn't needing evidence? Because surely we should all be asking 'what is the evidence'?

Then evaluating the evidence.

The Chief of Police provided evidence, and I think he has some credibility?

The need for evidence goes both ways - those supporting H&M as well as those criticising them

No idea to whom this refers milkshake

I will repeat again. All the women who married in to the RF have had dreadful experiences with regard to the press and media. Not one of them has escaped unscathed.

If you mean me when you talk of 'evidenciary validity', please see my previous post when I talk of the Producer of Suits and what happened whilst Meghan was still working there, but it appears posters discount the neighbours story even though it all happened at the same time. That's very odd. Terrible press intrusion at work, nothing at home.

Wilderness, please note, the producer said.... he revealed how production had to introduce strict measures in a bid to prevent photographers from gaining access. “There were people breaking into the area where the trailers are and trying to get pictures of her going in and out of her trailer. It started to feel a bit dangerous for her.”

Ok. She's lying. Got it. I understand your position greendress

Harrassed at work according to the Producer of Suits. Escorted by security hired by NBC to get home. But peace then and she makes up the neighbour story.

@Roussette surely you can understand why some people doubt what she says ?

Great, you are using evidence.

I am still not sure why you criticise people for asking 'what is the evidence'.

Surely that's what we all should be asking?

@Roussette not every post is about you. In fact, as far as possible, if I want to address you personally I will tag you.

Omid Scobie said in Finding Freedom that Meghan used to call paps to photograph her in her pre-Harry days when she wanted to build her profile. A professional paparazzi, Jesham Parshotal, has confirmed this, and actually indentified various photos her took of Meghan at her request. He photographed her wearing the M and H necklace in Toronto after the news of their relationship became public, and spoke of how friendly she was towards him. He also took the first photo of her and Harry out in public as a couple and has said that he “magically knew” where they would be that night.

Didn’t TMZ look into the drones flying about Taylor Perry’s property and find it was all very murky as to whether that was accurate?

Anyway, “all very murky” could apply to a lot of the paparazzi behaviour that the Sussexes supporters point to.

There is evidence that one of her neighbours allowed the Toronto police to use his driveway to park one of their cars while protecting Meghan, after about 3 or 4 weeks of them parking there, Meghan send the neighbour chocolates and a thank you. So that corroborates what the police chief said about her being given police protection.