Princess of Wales ad family

[Desperate2023]

Wishing, Princess Kate a speedy and full recovery from me and my family.
Looking forward to Kate and William doing their bit for the UK soon.
A great family that is adored around the world.

You're doing what you criticise other for.

We do not know that she was sitting - he did not specify sitting, lying or whatever. So its just as wrong to say sitting as any other version.

There are quite a few accounts of her crying - which combined with the "not many people have asked if I'm OK" comment - does suggest a level of (what's the right word, fragility?)
I mean that as a description, not a criticism

We do not know that she was sitting - he did not specify sitting, lying or whatever. So its just as wrong to say sitting as any other version.

Fine.

But no one has said 'she threw herself on the floor'.

That was my point. Do you know different?

Meghan brought up the “Waitey Katey” label in her Oprah interview and insinuated that that was the extent of the mistreatment Kate received from the press, completely minimising all the physical harassment, abuse and gross invasions of privacy her sister in law did have to live through for 10 years.

Meghan said what Kate had endured was ‘not the same as racism’

It’s been my opinion that none of the women who marry in are adequately protected and for some reason are left to be harassed by a bullying media. But the element of racism is something none of them had experienced, except for Meghan. The press were racist. Racism was also evident on social media. White supremacists were charged, convicted and sent to prison for threatening Meghan and Archie and Harry (for marrying Meghan). The ex Met Chief (forgotten his name sorry) was interviewed and said the threat level Meghan faced was equal to that faced by the (late) Queen.

I think, and this is just my opinion, the RF members did not understand that element of the abuse. Because they had no experience of racial abuse.

No it’s not the same as racism, but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t ugly and unpleasant and difficult for the Princess to deal with. I wasn’t aware that there was a competition between different forms of abuse such as misogyny and racism. Surely they are all equally abhorrent and should be condemned? And as such, it wasn’t necessary for Meghan to repeat the “waity Katie” nickname in the Oprah interview

Meghan said what Kate had endured was ‘not the same as racism’

The problem with that argument is, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the reasons people didn’t like Meghan or the media published negative stories had nothing to do with race.

“If members of his family say, ‘Well, this is what happened to all of us,’ or if they can compare what the experience that I went through was similar to what has been shared with us—Kate was called Waity Katie waiting to marry William. While I imagine that was really hard, and I do, I can’t picture what that felt like. This is not the same. And if a member of this family will comfortably say, ‘We’ve all had to deal with things that are rude.’ Rude and racist are not the same”

That’s Meghan’s exact quote from her Oprah interview.

I agree that Meghan faced racism, and that rude and racism are indeed not the same thing. But Meghan was not harrassed by large groups of male paparazzis as she tried to go about her everyday life. She did not have photographers lying in the gutter trying to upskirt her as she got into taxis. She did not have photographers shouting personal abuse at her to get a reaction. She did not have her phone hacked more than 100 times and her personal messages from her boyfriend listened to. She did not have topless photos taken of her without her knowledge from more than half a mile away while on a private holiday. Those experiences are not the same as what Meghan went though either, and I don’t imagine she can picture what that felt like.

Choosing to remind a global audience of a mean nickname that Kate had been given more than a decade ago and saying she herself experienced something quite different (and harder), while completely ignoring the repeated and gross violations of Kate’s privacy, dignity and personal autonomy, wasn’t remotely comparing apples with apples.

When those topless photos of Catherine were taken - which went viral around the world and must have felt like an awful violation - Donald Trump tweeted some horrible victim blaming stuff against her. A few years later she had to meet and greet him as President of the US on his state visit to the UK. That she did so shows her class and strength of character.

I agree what Katherine experienced was horrendous. I’m always astonished that the family did not protect these women when their sons were dating them. My point is though, that none of them had experienced the threats of racism. Nor had their children. She feared for her own life, her son’s life and Harry’s life.

It was a gross invasion of privacy to photograph Kate sunbaking topless. I can’t imagine how invasive and distressing it must have felt for her. They weren’t published in the UK if I remember correctly so something bigger than self regulation probably was at work, haven’t seen them but it changes little. Her privacy had been invaded.

Similarly, Meghan seeing the headlines of ‘Harry’s girl on porn hub’ must have been a gut sinking and distressing moment for her. I have to wonder how such a headline (misleading and degrading) was allowed in the UK? Why did the press feel this was acceptable? And it was published in mid 2016 when Meghan also had no protection. This sort of reporting, racist or sexist, continued through her years living here. Two full years after Meghan and Harry had left the Sun was still at it. It reached the new heights (new lows) of disgraceful journalism full of threatening sexist racist imagery in the form of the Jeremy Clarkson article. What made it okay to write about Meghan like that when no other royal woman has ever been subjected to such extreme bile and imagery of violence?

Ah wise up, the worst opprobrium ever dealt out to a Royal woman was to Camilla!! It was off the scale and credit to her, she rose above it!

I never saw those headlines about Pxxxhub and never even heard of that website, so I looked up the headline, and it was a horrible and (purposely) misleading headline in The Sun and referred to one of her actual sex scenes from Suits which did end up illegally on that website.

Disgusting and misleading as that headline was, I guess thats one of the drawbacks of doing nude or sexscenes in a film or TV show, you never know when it could come back to haunt you. There are a lot of actors who refuse to take their clothes off on screen for that very reason.

ETA, I don't think it is comparable to Catherines' invasion of privacy and humiliation of being stalked and photographed semi naked in a private residence, and the photos being published around the world.. Two very different situations.

Lots of women don't frolic around topless because you never know who is hanging around with a camera. Let's blame all women for the illegal voyeuristic actions of others shall we? How much agency does a young actress have to refuse to do sex scenes? Famous actors can refuse ( many still do them them though).
Camilla faced horrendous abuse, from the public mainly, egged on by the press. But again, people haven't been convicted of plotting to attack her or her family.

Frolic around ?? She was sunbathing on private property and the photos were taken from approximately half a mile away . Nice victim blaming .
Actors have a choice about nude scenes . For example , Julia Roberts stated even before she was famous that she would never do nude scenes . And stuck to it.
Meghan chose differently as is her right however such things have a habit of coming back to bite you.

How ironic. So victim blaming is bad but Meghan who had a role is blamed. Nice

Who is blaming Meghan ? She had a choice whether or not to do sex scenes / u dress . She made a choice ( I doubt anyone stood over her with a loaded gun) which is her right .

You talk about victim blaming of Kate

Then said Meghan had a choice but her choice came back to bite her. And that's not victim blaming? 😮🙁

It was clear from what I said later that blaming women for the illegal actions of other is wrong in both cases. Both women were doing something they were perfectly entitled to do and were then slut shamed for it in the media. Only difference is that the Palace made sure Kates pictures weren't published here but they stood by and did nothing about any of the abuse Meghan faced. I'm not a Meghan fan, but she has been vilified out of all proportion.

There is no possible way you can use a photo of Catherine in a private environment that was taken without her knowledge and compare it to Meghans sex scene in a TV series being used nefariously. Catherine had her privacy invaded in the most intrusive way.

It’s just not even remotely comparable. It’s a real stretch to compare the two.

So agree. Both women should not have been subjected to this. No exceptions

I give up

@Roussette the difference is about choice . Catherine didn’t know the photos were being taken . Didn’t agree to them being taken .
Meghan was an adult woman who had a choice about the roles she would accept . She is not a victim.
If you can’t see that , j can’t explain it any further.

the fact that posters can think that waity katie is as bad as what Meghan had to put up with, is bizarre. kate did wait.
as for the double standards about photos.mn is just a meghan hate room sometimes.

Only difference is that the Palace made sure Kates pictures weren't published here

No - the newspapers would not have published the photos in the UK because they knew they would be successfully sued for them here - as the papers in France were. It was their risk appetite that would have informed that, not the Palace intervening (the Palace may have sent them a shot across the bows, we don’t know, but I think it’s unlikely they would have needed to - there are loads of photos published internationally that the UK papers won’t publish - and not all about the royals, either).

The Meghan headlines were different. They were 100% vile, but they were also true (exploitative people had uploaded clips of Meghan on Suits to that website) and there was obviously no issue that the original Suits footage had been filmed with Meghan’s consent. The Palace could have complained (and they may have done, we don’t know) about the headlines, but legally could not have done anything about them.

Yes - Kate has a right to a private life (that’s enshrined in EU law) and had a reasonable expectation of privacy while holidaying on a private estate that was half a mile from the nearest public space. Photos taken of her with a super-long range lens was a clear breach of her privacy.

Meghan had, while an actress, agreed to film scenes of a sexual nature with her co-star as part of the television series she was working on. Those scenes were always intended to be broadcast to the public. The two cases are not remotely the same.

Interestingly, the only party who likely could have made the website take down the videos would actually have been the producers of Suits - because it would be a breach of their copyright in the production. I wonder if Meghan approached them to do that? The Palace can’t bring that claim.

(Exactly the same thing happened to Koo Stark, remember her? Prince Andrew started dating an actress who’d once done a topless shower scene, and it was all over the UK press. And Princess Sofia of Sweden likewise had done topless modelling before meeting Prince Carl Phillip. Again, that was all over the Swedish press. Women aren’t allowed to have a past, remember…).

Yes I would prefer if you didn't explain further
Meghan is to blame because of a role she played in her career, victim blaming at it's best

As I said neither of them should've been subjected to this. Without exception.
No woman should

Im not sure why there has to be some sort of “league table” about which woman has put up with worse. As Serenster said in her post above, we are not comparing apples with apples. Both women were subjected to horrible ordeals by the press in different ways. The problem I have is that it was not necessary for one woman to claim some
sort of “one upwomanship” in the degree of abuse on a chat show. No one would deny that what Meghan suffered was vile. All discrimination is equally vile. So it was not necessary to belittle the Princess’ experience in order to highlight her own