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Desperate2023 · 18/01/2024 10:03

Wishing, Princess Kate a speedy and full recovery from me and my family.
Looking forward to Kate and William doing their bit for the UK soon.
A great family that is adored around the world.

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upinaballoon · 03/02/2024 10:14

Mylovelygreendress · 03/02/2024 09:03

@CoffeeCantata well said .
If Meghan said today is Saturday, I would double check .

Did you post this knowing that someone, (who is away to make coffee one second after she's pressed 'go'), would be bound to say "..Saturday or three days earlier?........

Bye. Exits right.

Mylovelygreendress · 03/02/2024 10:32

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 09:45

Meghan cries. So what? I never said she didn’t: But she’s not ‘always in the floor in tears.’ Also, all those photos when Meghan was crying were in her baby years. When she was either pregnant or not long afterwards.

I’m surprised that on a website called mumsnet there is not some recognition of that

I cried a lot in those years. My hormones and emotions were up and down, and it was an exhausting time, and I hadn’t experienced years of bullying by media and social media while living in a country not my own.

And yet some posters ignored the fact that Catherine had just had a baby and had 2 wee ones at home ? That is poo- pooed because she had a nanny and her parents to support her , ignoring the fact that Meghan also had nannies and her Mum .

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 10:37

I can't understand why some posters are determined to portray either K or M in the most awful way possible. K's flowers gesture may well have been simple: a very nice, heartfelt gesture from someone who had realised she'd been a bit harsh and was reasonable enough to admit it. Instead some of you are ascribing base motives to a warm gesture: to be the bigger person, to smooth the way with petulent Meghan. We just don't know enough to make these judgements.

Equally unfairly, Meghan is being portrayed as scheming enough to use Kate's apology for her own ends, namely to show Kate had something to apologise for. That's a bit convoluted and it's more likely that she simply wanted to protect Kate from blame by making it clear that the thing had been sorted out. Her tone suggested she was grateful to Kate for making the effort. After all, she could simply have said 'No, the other way around; Kate made me cry,' thereby painting K into a corner as a villain. Remember, the only reason the whole thing came up was that the press had accused M of making K cry, and M was asked about it.

Both these women deserve some slack. We can never know enough to judge them, but they've both been brave enough to take on difficult roles in an environment hard even for those immersed from birth. Kate's doing a good job, while it hasn't worked for Meghan, who has had additional complications - a husband with problems, a tendency to see racism everywhere and culture shock of a foreign country.

I wish both if them happiness.

Gottseidank · 03/02/2024 10:41

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 10:37

I can't understand why some posters are determined to portray either K or M in the most awful way possible. K's flowers gesture may well have been simple: a very nice, heartfelt gesture from someone who had realised she'd been a bit harsh and was reasonable enough to admit it. Instead some of you are ascribing base motives to a warm gesture: to be the bigger person, to smooth the way with petulent Meghan. We just don't know enough to make these judgements.

Equally unfairly, Meghan is being portrayed as scheming enough to use Kate's apology for her own ends, namely to show Kate had something to apologise for. That's a bit convoluted and it's more likely that she simply wanted to protect Kate from blame by making it clear that the thing had been sorted out. Her tone suggested she was grateful to Kate for making the effort. After all, she could simply have said 'No, the other way around; Kate made me cry,' thereby painting K into a corner as a villain. Remember, the only reason the whole thing came up was that the press had accused M of making K cry, and M was asked about it.

Both these women deserve some slack. We can never know enough to judge them, but they've both been brave enough to take on difficult roles in an environment hard even for those immersed from birth. Kate's doing a good job, while it hasn't worked for Meghan, who has had additional complications - a husband with problems, a tendency to see racism everywhere and culture shock of a foreign country.

I wish both if them happiness.

This is a naive take. Honestly, after Spare, Netflix, Oprah and the Scobie books I don’t think Meghan deserves any slack whatsoever. The aspersions she has repeatedly cast at Kate are absolutely disgraceful. Especially the ‘racism’ leak in Scobie’s recent book.

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 10:44

wildernesssw · 03/02/2024 10:09

Very low down behaviour on the part of Harry to abuse her/his position by gossiping, and someone who passes on sensitive information in the first place can hardly be relied upon to stick to facts without exaggeration.

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as the saying goes...

Two wrongs don't make a right. Let's not descend into playground (she said, you said) behaviour. The issue here is not Harry, but the fitter. Harry's behaviour doesn't excuse the behaviour of the fitter, whose only motivation could have been a relishing if cheap thrills.

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 10:49

Gottseidank · 03/02/2024 10:41

This is a naive take. Honestly, after Spare, Netflix, Oprah and the Scobie books I don’t think Meghan deserves any slack whatsoever. The aspersions she has repeatedly cast at Kate are absolutely disgraceful. Especially the ‘racism’ leak in Scobie’s recent book.

I'm far from naive, just more open minded than many on here.

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 10:55

Gottseidank · 03/02/2024 10:41

This is a naive take. Honestly, after Spare, Netflix, Oprah and the Scobie books I don’t think Meghan deserves any slack whatsoever. The aspersions she has repeatedly cast at Kate are absolutely disgraceful. Especially the ‘racism’ leak in Scobie’s recent book.

It was written by Omid Scobie. it was not written by Meghan. If you have proof to the contrary, every journalist in the country and then some,
would like to see it.

LaMarschallin · 03/02/2024 10:56

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 10:11

Has anyone here really ever fallen to the floor crying/sobbing/whatever? Isn't it a bit of an over-dramatic thing to do? Especially when holding a baby.

@LaMarschallin i think you’ve muddled this up.

The sinking to the floor while holding the baby was when Meghan was holding Archie and had a miscarriage.

Oh! Silly me. I've every sympathy with her miscarriage. That must have been appalling for her. So I withdraw that reference, of course.
So, just the once that Harry found her sunk to the floor sobbing?
What tragedy caused that? A death in the family or something? It must have been something awful.

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 10:57

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 10:44

Two wrongs don't make a right. Let's not descend into playground (she said, you said) behaviour. The issue here is not Harry, but the fitter. Harry's behaviour doesn't excuse the behaviour of the fitter, whose only motivation could have been a relishing if cheap thrills.

I agree about the fitter. Though only if she did say it. I suspect it’s just one of those stories started on the internet.

Serenster · 03/02/2024 10:59

There’s definitely been an agenda when it comes to Kate.

Meghan had only just publicly revealed to be dating Harry when a story came out in a Toronto gossip site, whose proprietor Meghan knew, that Kate was snobbish and had refused to give Meghan a lift to go shopping in London.

Meghan saying in the Oprah interview about the bridesmaid dress incident that “I would have never wanted that to come out about [Kate] ever, even though it had happened. I protected that from ever being out in the world” was spectacularly ironic given she was indeed now bringing up the incident in front of the global media, when she knew her sister in law could never reply (and brilliantly worded, insinuating that it was something so serious that it needed to be “protected”).

The whole “Kate made me cry” story was also repeated in Meghan’s interview in The Cut magazine, and obviously at great length in Spare.

Meghan brought up the “Waitey Katey” label in her Oprah interview and insinuated that that was the extent of the mistreatment Kate received from the press, completely minimising all the physical harassment, abuse and gross invasions of privacy her sister in law did have to live through for 10 years.

Meghan said that she wouldn’t let her children go to school in the UK because she is “a good and strong parent protecting her child” the week before the Cambridge children all started their new school in the UK.

In her first podcast she said “You can pretend to be the perfect version like a Stepford wife and still have the exact same outcome as someone who is being authentically truly themselves and wouldn’t you rather live with a version of yourself where you can look in the mirror at night?” - widely taken to be a reference to her sister in law. Omid Scobie also then directly likened Kate to a Stepford Wife in Endgame.

In Finding Freedom Omid Scobie wrote that William and Kate’s domestic lifestyle was one that the Sussexes had seen and decided they definitely didn’t want.

“Friends of Meghan” of made a public statement that Meghan didn’t want her children to grow up in an environment without hugs and laughter, like the Sussexes were leaving, and that all the Royals, especially Kate, were so uptight.

This was then followed up in Spare - Harry told us Kate was cold, formal, only lent her lipgloss grudgingly, took unreasonable offence at being told she had a baby brain etc etc.

Then in Endgame Omid Scobie “accidentally” names her as one of the Royal Racists.

Idontpostmuch · 03/02/2024 11:00

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 10:57

I agree about the fitter. Though only if she did say it. I suspect it’s just one of those stories started on the internet.

@BrittleVeneers I strongly suspect you're right.

Serenster · 03/02/2024 11:00

It was written by Omid Scobie. it was not written by Meghan. If you have proof to the contrary, every journalist in the country and then some,
would like to see it.

Given they have both previously lied about this in court, and been found out for lying, I’m afraid that any denials they now make have no credibility whatsoever. Especially given Omid’s role as their unofficial spokesperson on twitter.

EdithWeston · 03/02/2024 11:06

I think since the judge's findings, that it is fair to take Scobie as promulgating the Sussex views

Gottseidank · 03/02/2024 11:12

Serenster · 03/02/2024 10:59

There’s definitely been an agenda when it comes to Kate.

Meghan had only just publicly revealed to be dating Harry when a story came out in a Toronto gossip site, whose proprietor Meghan knew, that Kate was snobbish and had refused to give Meghan a lift to go shopping in London.

Meghan saying in the Oprah interview about the bridesmaid dress incident that “I would have never wanted that to come out about [Kate] ever, even though it had happened. I protected that from ever being out in the world” was spectacularly ironic given she was indeed now bringing up the incident in front of the global media, when she knew her sister in law could never reply (and brilliantly worded, insinuating that it was something so serious that it needed to be “protected”).

The whole “Kate made me cry” story was also repeated in Meghan’s interview in The Cut magazine, and obviously at great length in Spare.

Meghan brought up the “Waitey Katey” label in her Oprah interview and insinuated that that was the extent of the mistreatment Kate received from the press, completely minimising all the physical harassment, abuse and gross invasions of privacy her sister in law did have to live through for 10 years.

Meghan said that she wouldn’t let her children go to school in the UK because she is “a good and strong parent protecting her child” the week before the Cambridge children all started their new school in the UK.

In her first podcast she said “You can pretend to be the perfect version like a Stepford wife and still have the exact same outcome as someone who is being authentically truly themselves and wouldn’t you rather live with a version of yourself where you can look in the mirror at night?” - widely taken to be a reference to her sister in law. Omid Scobie also then directly likened Kate to a Stepford Wife in Endgame.

In Finding Freedom Omid Scobie wrote that William and Kate’s domestic lifestyle was one that the Sussexes had seen and decided they definitely didn’t want.

“Friends of Meghan” of made a public statement that Meghan didn’t want her children to grow up in an environment without hugs and laughter, like the Sussexes were leaving, and that all the Royals, especially Kate, were so uptight.

This was then followed up in Spare - Harry told us Kate was cold, formal, only lent her lipgloss grudgingly, took unreasonable offence at being told she had a baby brain etc etc.

Then in Endgame Omid Scobie “accidentally” names her as one of the Royal Racists.

Thanks Serenster. Quite shocking really when it’s all itemised like that.

CoffeeCantata · 03/02/2024 11:17

Back like a bad penny.

However, it is 2023 and I feel it’s very wrong now for a woman to feel like she can’t speak up. And I have to assume that’s the problem, because people on here keep saying Kate can’t respond.

I don't think it's the point that it's a woman who can't respond in this case. They none of them do. Not claiming it's a sign of higher morality* but it must be incredibly hard hearing things which you can't refute publicly. If they leak stuff - well, I wouldn't blame them! Not saying they do, though.

*It's a tactic, partly, and much more dignified than jumping into the ring for a fight, and it's worked very well for them on many occasions. To repeat something I've put on here before, here's a wise Chinese proverb that I've found to be true:

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of all your enemies will eventually float past."

In other words, play the long game and keep schtumm (how d'you spell that?). "Give a fool rope enough and he'll hang himself," or 'Don't interfere with the enemy while they're in the act of destroying themselves'. I'm sure this is the policy which the RF follow, and it must take nerves of steel sometimes, At the moment, I'd say it's paying off for them.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 03/02/2024 11:23

I’ll add to @Serenster ’s list, Omid Scobie in Endgame saying that W&K didn’t speak to H&M during the car journey from the walkabout they did following the Queen’s death. Since William was driving and there was just 4 of them in the car, where could that information have come from? Likewise the content of correspondence between Meghan and Charles. Charles is not likely to be leaking that to OS, is he?

wildernesssw · 03/02/2024 11:24

upinaballoon · 03/02/2024 10:14

Did you post this knowing that someone, (who is away to make coffee one second after she's pressed 'go'), would be bound to say "..Saturday or three days earlier?........

Bye. Exits right.

😂

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 03/02/2024 11:25

”Near catastrophic car chase”: as immediately tweeted about by Scobie (very soon after it allegedly happened). Where could he have got that info from, other than the direct source?

Mylovelygreendress · 03/02/2024 11:30

2 very good points @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar .
Who else indeed ?? A mystery …..

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 03/02/2024 11:31

Aviation award. It must be a total coincidence that, of all the tabloid hack reporters in all of LA, the person who broke the news of this little heard of award being given to Prince Harry was Omid Scobie.

wildernesssw · 03/02/2024 11:33

I agree @CoffeeCantata , if the RF give their version it will end up with far more publicity, and escalate with tit for tat, and claim and counter-claim.

The reality is, most people could see it was a very one-sided account, without much evidence to back up the wilder claims (and various 'recollections' shown to be false). There will always be people who believe it, because it fits with their own beliefs (and vice versa).

Much better to let the truth emerge, which it tends to over time (and has happened in this case).

Lookingatthesunset · 03/02/2024 13:42

BrittleVeneers · 03/02/2024 09:15

if a poster came on here and said the Queen didn’t like something Meghan had done, I’d ask how to they know, and what’s the source, and don’t people realise all these rumours and gossip about what the Queen didn’t like or said about Meghan makes the Queen look a petty person?

Just as I’d correct the person that said that according to Harry, Meghan was always on the floor crying.

He never said she was always in the floor crying. He said that he came home and she was on the floor crying on one occasion. Meghan spoke about the other time in an article she wrote about her miscarriage. She spoke about sinking to the floor while holding Archie and realising what had happened. If there weren’t tears I’d be surprised. Harry may have mentioned it in his book too, but I don’t remember. But sinking to the floor in tears twice, when one time was a miscarriage and the other time was after an unpleasant exchange between yourself and your sister in law just before your big wedding day is allowed.

It’s not always on the floor in tears is it?

Talk about dramatic! I’ve had too many times when I’ve been reduced to tears in my life, including two miscarriages, and I’ve never felt inclined to throw myself dramatically to the ground to weep!!!

Roussette · 03/02/2024 13:50

Well... it is Meghan so of course she will be ridiculed for crying. On the floor, on the sofa, stood up... anywhere. Where does it say 'she threw herself on the floor'
Hint... it doesn't.

He said that he came home and she was on the floor crying on one occasion

That honestly could be hugging your knees sat on the floor. Why are people so horrible about someone upset?

I've seen a member of my family and someone else upset like this. I had nothing but empathy.

Lookingatthesunset · 03/02/2024 13:54

It does actually and I would be scathing about anyone putting on a performance like that!

Roussette · 03/02/2024 14:05

Lookingatthesunset · 03/02/2024 13:54

It does actually and I would be scathing about anyone putting on a performance like that!

A performance like what?

She didn't 'throw herself on the floor'. She was upset whilst sat on the floor. What performance?

My family member was beside herself over something, she was sobbing in a corner of the room. Is that a 'performance'?

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