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I’ve spoken about Harry’s ‘unconscious bias’ on here. I disagree with his take on that. In my mind, Unconscious or conscious, it’s still racism.

heres the post. yes you said it was made up. I was using it as example of how something that is obviously made up becomes fact.

lol. I’m not that interested:

Marreas and Serenster’s examples seem to be the same occasion

No - they are different. One was in Spare and one was in The Me you Can’t See, as you can see from my posts.

Here’s some of the many Meghan was seen in tears in their Netflix documentary as Maireas referred to (there were more too by the way, but I can only upload three photos)

There does seem to be a lot of sobbing. Both on and off the floor...

Personally, if I encounter a woman crying, or know someone cried about something, my first thought is 'oh no, what's wrong, you poor thing'. As opposed to sneering at her.

heres the post. yes you said it was made up. I was using it as example of how something that is obviously made up becomes fact.

Where does @CoffeeCantata say she made it up?

Samcro
heres the post. yes you said it was made up. I was using it as example of how something that is obviously made up becomes fact.

I think you need to read the posts more carefully.

'Made up'. One person who was there gave an account of what happened. Another person who was there gave an account of what happened. The accounts are different. Why are the accounts different? Why is one 'made up' and the other unassailable truth?

I'm not getting why it's so hard!

Oh - and another person who was there is not allowed to say anything. Fair?
Would you believe just one side of a story? I wouldn't.

Meghan cries. So what? I never said she didn’t: But she’s not ‘always in the floor in tears.’ Also, all those photos when Meghan was crying were in her baby years. When she was either pregnant or not long afterwards.

I’m surprised that on a website called mumsnet there is not some recognition of that

I cried a lot in those years. My hormones and emotions were up and down, and it was an exhausting time, and I hadn’t experienced years of bullying by media and social media while living in a country not my own.

Who's sneering? I was surprised at how emotional and vulnerable she is, and how she (well both of them) obviously have mental health problems and I hope they're getting help.
Someone who actually attempts suicide when they're pregnant? That's what shocked me about the Oprah interview. That requires a lot of support and help. A close family member of mine attempted suicide two years ago, they're still being managed by a mental health unit and have an outreach worker. She was absolutely broken. It's very serious. You don't get over that quickly.

If i saw someone crying, surrounded by a camera crew recording it all for a big budget docuseries, the thought might cross my mind that they were doing it intentionally to tug on people’s heartstrings. Partiuclarly when that person had admitted doing exactly that previously.

apologies. I made an assumption that you had said it was made up CoffeeCantata as most of it was.

C complained about the fit of Charlotte''s dress. Either before or after this, at a fitting, Meghan, who was angry about it, made unkind remarks to Charlotte about her babyish behaviour (a 3 year old) and compared her unkindly to the daughter of Jessica Mulroney (an older girl). Jessica Mulroney and her daughter joined in the scolding, making Charlotte cry. Both C and Charlotte left the fitting very upset and feeling 'ganged up on'.

so are you saying you didn't make this up?

Also, all those photos when Meghan was crying were in her baby years. When she was either pregnant or not long afterwards.

I’m surprised that on a website called mumsnet there is not some recognition of that

Interestingly, Kate with a two week old newborn is cast so thoroughly as the baddie in the “who made who crygate” though.

(myself, I have always though given their personal , of course emotions must have been high on both sides, it would have been more surprising if they weren't)

Has anyone here really ever fallen to the floor crying/sobbing/whatever? Isn't it a bit of an over-dramatic thing to do? Especially when holding a baby.
I must confess that I did it once (sans baby) but in a play in my amateur dramatic days.
And I was worried even then that it looked like over acting.

I think if you look at the whole bridesmaid debacle, look at when Louis was born. Kate was either heavily pregnant or immediately post partum. She was only three weeks post partum at the wedding. I think she should have been cut some slack in that respect.

Interestingly, Kate with a two week old newborn is cast so thoroughly as the baddie in the “who made who crygate” though.

As I’ve made clear on this page, I like Kate, I don’t criticise her. And I do remember that she’d only just given birth to the youngest child when the wedding was happening.

I criticise the people who mock and harangue the woman who spoke about her experience of it.

Samcro · Today 09:46

apologies. I made an assumption that you had said it was made up CoffeeCantata as most of it was.

We perhaps need to examine precisely what we mean by 'made up'. I think we may have different interpretations of this phrase.

I am a big reader. I read huge amounts of stuff in the press, online, in books. I read this account, I think about 18 months ago as 'leaked' by a member of staff (not sure if Givenchy or other) who had witnessed the scene and wanted to put their version out there to 'correct' the authorised version told by H & M.

Because I read so much I don't always think 'Gosh, I'd better note the source of this in case I need to prove it on MN'. I can assure you I'm recounting someone else's story. The idea that I'd make it up is bonkers. I really do have other priorities in life! I never said I'd made it up. As I've said over and over again, it may be worth no more than Meghan's version. NONE OF US WILL EVER KNOW.

But it's at least as valid, I would argue. It just doesn't fit the narrative many people want desperately to believe.

I'm not bothered about your opinion of my honesty - but please do read what I've written. I never said I'd made it up. If I 'made it up', then so did Meghan, if that's what 'making it up' means.

Have to go out now minus screens so not being rude if I don't respond further.

The alleged event has been pretty widely reported in various media. I'm assuming it's these widely reported examples that are being repeated.

It's clear there was some issue with all the bridesmaids dresses, as the tailor employed to try to fix them has given interviews, and it's clear from footage of the wedding that all of the bridesmaids dresses had visible fitting flaws.

Frankly, to me, it says more about Givenchy's standards that there was such a problem to begin with. Stress levels amongst everyone must have been huge.

Meghan as a bride, and Catherine as a new mum (as a @BrittleVeneers said above, its an emotional time, and we should cut new mums a bit of slack for crying).

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/meghan-did-make-kate-cry-during-bridesmaids-dress-fitting-new-book-claims/

https://people.com/royals/royal-tailor-comments-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-bridesmaid-dress-disagreement/

You've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. Yes, we all know that in Spare, Harry refers to the bridesmaid dress incident. However, the issue in question is that the fitter aka seamstress claimed, according to a poster, that Meghan had been bullying Charlotte, calling her babyish and, with an older child, ganging up on her. Very low down behaviour on the part of the fitter to abuse her/his position by gossiping, and someone who passes on sensitive information in the first place can hardly be relied upon to stick to facts without exaggeration.

Very low down behaviour on the part of Harry to abuse her/his position by gossiping, and someone who passes on sensitive information in the first place can hardly be relied upon to stick to facts without exaggeration.

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as the saying goes...

Has anyone here really ever fallen to the floor crying/sobbing/whatever? Isn't it a bit of an over-dramatic thing to do? Especially when holding a baby.

@LaMarschallin i think you’ve muddled this up.

The sinking to the floor while holding the baby was when Meghan was holding Archie and had a miscarriage.

😁you beat me to it @wildernesssw
It sounds just like 'Spare' doesn't it?

I don't know about that. I'm talking about the weeping.