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The royal family

Princess of Wales: surgery and recuperation

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yetanotherusernameAgain · 17/01/2024 14:23

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68009259

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Neurodiversitydoctor · 17/01/2024 19:32

Iwasafool · 17/01/2024 19:22

Do you mean her abdominal surgery is something to do with a VP shunt?

Yes, possibly an infection, it would need very careful monitoring for obvious reasons.

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

SemperIdem · 17/01/2024 19:33

Mothermummymum · 17/01/2024 15:00

My opinion is that she has probably entered rehab for an eating disorder that it’s clear for the world to see she has.
No shame in rehab and no shame in wanting to cover it up if that’s your choice.

I’ve seen her in person, very close up. She does not “clearly” have an eating disorder 🙄

WestwardHo1 · 17/01/2024 19:33

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

I'm not an especial fan of Kate but it is very different, surely. Plus she's the Princess of Wales and Meghan is not. Remember the difference between the way Diana and Sarah were treated? Zara has had a MC - where was her love and attention? Sophie had an ectopic pregnancy.

As for her having an eating disorder, are slim, fit women really so far outside some MNers' experience?

Iwasafool · 17/01/2024 19:34

londonmummy1966 · 17/01/2024 19:28

This

My immensely fit DD (on a British athlete development programme for her sport so really fit) had spinal surgery last year. Was on her feet the day after. However over the course of her week in hospital she developed an allergy to the dressings leading to skin break down and complications. No one would have expected it to drag on the way it did given she was so fit and healthy. No one knows quite what is around the corner with major surgery

Exactly. I know someone of 90, she has advanced dementia, frail as anything. Well she fell and broke her hip, in hospital and hip replaced, back at care home 4 days later and physio said they'd never seen a recovery like it. They said as she couldn't remember things she didn't remember the fall, the break, the op and she wasn't nervous about walking like many people are after a hip replacement. You'd never have expected her to be the poster girl for recovery.

We are all different.

EverleighMay · 17/01/2024 19:34

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

On a different thread, have a search for it on Google.

40thbirthday · 17/01/2024 19:35

falafelover · 17/01/2024 14:47

I just wish the rest of us had access to such good medical care, rather than being turfed out of hospital almost immediately.

Maybe when she's recovered, she could campaign for better healthcare for us plebs? Would be nice.

We do if we pay private. I think if you look at the fact we do have NHS for ‘free’ and can pay private that gives us a choice.

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:36

EverleighMay · 17/01/2024 19:34

On a different thread, have a search for it on Google.

What a kind and helpful reply.

Mylovelygreendress · 17/01/2024 19:36

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

I don’t remember anything other than sympathy.

Serenster · 17/01/2024 19:38

Why wasn't the press release put out a week ago like the Kings upcoming minor surgery?

Given the hospital she’s in is already being staked out by the press, catching all people coing and going on camera, this way meant she entered in privacy, was able to have her family members come and visit her in privacy, and got to the stage where the surgery is complete and they have an idea of how well it went before anyone outside a close circle has any idea where she is. I would have thought that was obvious?

Saschka · 17/01/2024 19:41

Iwasafool · 17/01/2024 19:22

Do you mean her abdominal surgery is something to do with a VP shunt?

One end of the shunt is in the brain (ventricles, the “V” in VP), the other is in the abdomen (peritoneum, the “P” in VP).

Please note I am not saying she actually has a shunt, or that that’s what she’s having surgery on. Just clarifying the terminology.

Newchapterbeckons · 17/01/2024 19:41

Serenster · 17/01/2024 19:38

Why wasn't the press release put out a week ago like the Kings upcoming minor surgery?

Given the hospital she’s in is already being staked out by the press, catching all people coing and going on camera, this way meant she entered in privacy, was able to have her family members come and visit her in privacy, and got to the stage where the surgery is complete and they have an idea of how well it went before anyone outside a close circle has any idea where she is. I would have thought that was obvious?

That doesn’t make sense - they have both had to cancel weeks/ months of engagements. It wasn’t pre planned.

Elvanseshortage · 17/01/2024 19:43

@Saschka and @Neurodiversitydoctor
I understand what a VP shunt is, and what it does but I don't understand why the Princess of Wales would have one. Why would an adult who seemed perfectly healthy a short time ago require one?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 17/01/2024 19:45

Given the cancellations of engagements, possibly including the to Rome and the meeting with Pope, I think it’s quite clear that “planned” in this instance just means “not an emergency requiring whipping into theatre instantly” rather than planned weeks/months ago.

PinkTonic · 17/01/2024 19:47

Neurodiversitydoctor · 17/01/2024 19:32

Yes, possibly an infection, it would need very careful monitoring for obvious reasons.

My daughter has a vp shunt and the abdominal end only ever needs a tiny incision. Complete replacement is bread and butter for neurosurgery, although still quite significant and scary for patient and family obviously. DD has normally only stayed in hospital for a few days. Oh and no contact sports or twisting, e.g. golf

Neurodiversitydoctor · 17/01/2024 19:47

Adults who have VP shunts in childhood love completely normal lives.

Saschka · 17/01/2024 19:47

Elvanseshortage · 17/01/2024 19:43

@Saschka and @Neurodiversitydoctor
I understand what a VP shunt is, and what it does but I don't understand why the Princess of Wales would have one. Why would an adult who seemed perfectly healthy a short time ago require one?

I think the suggestion is that it was put in during childhood (hence the supposed scar) and that it must now be playing up/blocked/infected.

EdithWeston · 17/01/2024 19:48

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

In private, just as it was for Zara Tindall for both of hers

And not particularly relevant to this thread. - it's not medical history Top Trumps

Serenster · 17/01/2024 19:49

Their engagements are planned months in advance, NewChapterBeckons. Planned surgery just means it’s not an emergency - it doesn’t mean it’s been in the diary for a couple of months. It would be planned surgery on Tuesday even if the surgeon decided on Monday it needs to be done urgently.

Whatever the operation, the need for it was clearly identified at some stage prior to yesterday, and when she was (presumably) admitted and the procedure took place. All of which was able to happen in privacy, without anyone knowing where she was.

This is not her first time being in a hospital under the glare of publicity, and I’m sure her past experiences have made her want to keep things like out of p[ublic knowledge as long as possible.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 17/01/2024 19:49

PinkTonic · 17/01/2024 19:47

My daughter has a vp shunt and the abdominal end only ever needs a tiny incision. Complete replacement is bread and butter for neurosurgery, although still quite significant and scary for patient and family obviously. DD has normally only stayed in hospital for a few days. Oh and no contact sports or twisting, e.g. golf

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Yes but the complications eg: a significant infection might need more extensive surgery and certainly very close monitoring. I did 6 months on a neurosurgical ward.

Kdtym10 · 17/01/2024 19:49

ISSTIUTNG · 17/01/2024 14:58

I have no interest in speculating what's wrong but hope she makes a good recovery and that that's the end of whatever the problem is as I would with any young person.

I'd just like to clarify (as a hcp) that length of hospital stay doesn't necessarily equate to quality of care. The philosophy now for good post-surgery recovery is that you're on your feet as quick as you can be after surgery as there's a lot of evidence that this optimises recovery and minimises the chance of post-surgical complications eg infection/reduced mobility. It may seem mean if your butt is being kicked 5 minutes after being under anaesthetic but there is definite rationalle behind it

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Which we all know is total bollocks to free up beds. Yes to being up and moving round, but how great to spend some time being able to recuperate, having people look after you without the expectations that arise as soon as you are out when it’s unlikely anyone will be there 24/7 to look after you. Mind you finding this caring attitude in an NHS hospital is extremely unlikely- more likely to get a caring attitude off the screws in a maximum security prison!

StockpotSoup · 17/01/2024 19:50

placemats · 17/01/2024 19:32

Where was all the love and care when Meghan Markle revealed she had a miscarriage?

Revealing a miscarriage five months after the event isn’t going to cause the same reaction as a two-week mystery hospital stay that’s happening now. (And no, I’m not trying to suggest anyone has a right to know why Kate is in hospital. I’m just pointing out that it’s a very different set of circumstances.)

Zanner · 17/01/2024 19:52

Unlikely to be an infection as there has been a statement saying the surgery went well. There are a few procedures with a one to two week stay in hospital, e.g. the Whipple procedure.

alltootired · 17/01/2024 19:52

It could be an abdominal aortic occlusion and vascular compromise secondary to acute gastric dilatation.

Delatron · 17/01/2024 19:52

I agree that in this instance planned just means not an emergency.
As a scheduled operation that wasn’t urgent would have been timed maybe better in the summer months and a diary cleared.

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