Omid Scobie Endgame PART 4

[Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar]

Continuing an enjoyable and civilised discussion of Endgame, and all things relating to its contents.

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4954329-omid-scobie-endgame-part-3?page=1

Absolutely and that’s how Megan positioned it on Oprah. But we can’t ignore her fact her version was very different to Harry’s. Inc the timing. Snd she wasn’t present when it was said. Harry isn’t known to pull his punches with his family, the opposite is true.

so whose version is the truth, harry;s, who was there, or Megan’s who wasn’t. And when was it even said, at the start of their relationship as harry said, or when she was pregnant as Megan says.

if Megan is correct of course it’s a huge issue. If harry is then it was an Ill advised thought with no maliciousness or racism behind it.

none of us should be jumping to conclusions. Or accusing thr royals or racism when even harry and Megan can’t get their act together enough to agree,

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar Well said and I am sorry you have had to experience racism in such a distressing way. It's just awful, but I think the world seems so much more polarised now between left and right that somehow, racism is becoming more commonplace and more acceptable. The world seems less accepting and more scary than it did when I was growing up.

I read that to be all about the word ‘concern’ @RecoIIectionsMayVary

Discussing a child’s possible skin tone/looks/appearance happens in many families.

Expressing ‘concern’ about it suggests something quite different.

I think that is what AliceOlive meant. As PH said it wasn’t racist and OS apparently said there was nothing malicious meant, then we should be asking why there was any need to use the word ‘concern’ at all.

Racism is ever present - no question. Unforgivable.

But for me, as the target of many a comment, what is also unforgivable is suggesting someone is racist when they are not.

No one knows what was said and how. If PH said the intent (or his family) wasn’t racist then he would be best placed to know.

Words matter. How you use them matters.

And to use them to create misery and mistrust and a maelstrom of publicity isn’t the deed of a good person.

One word here made all the difference.

Thanks Arcane apologies Alice multitasking failure to comprehend.

Milkshake very interesting post and I agree.

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar - a very interesting and considered post. I cross posted with you but you said it better.

@Getthethrowonthesofa - Quite right.

I think some of them were attracted by the "racism" allegations.

whose

Hollywood's A-list have mostly backed away as it is clear, from the way they have treated their family, that absolutely no conversation is confidential.

I was struck by Harry's lack of discretion in Spare where he talked about Courteney Cox keeping (I think) hash brownies in a box that she offered her guests. I'm pretty sure she wasn't happy to have that broadcast to the world! That sort of indiscretion has, I'm sure, cost them dear with the A-list. If you get to go to Courteney Cox's house you keep quiet and you keep her secrets or you won't be invited back. Ever. By anyone!

It was worse than hash browns, he said there were mushrooms.

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar well said

I can well believe the Royal Family are racist. They never spoke up when Meghan was subjected to racist abuse.

Hash browns would be great though 😁

The indiscretion will probably cost them both dear.

What is a ‘funny’ anecdote for one is a betrayal of trust for another.

I am not sure I can state it more simply than that.

If someone had concerns about a child being “too brown” then it’s downright awful that Harry referred to it as “unconscious bias” rather than racism.

Thanks @ArcaneWireless you got it.

He's already given an interview saying that he's moving on from royal reporting.

I assumed because he's not got good access to the working Royal family, and the relationship with H&M must be complicated now, to say the least

I think as well they've underestimated the degree to which Americans like happy positive people.

To me whats become evident since they've split from the RF is Harrys lack of charisma. I would have thought of Harry as quite charasmatic but I think that was just great PR by the palace, he looks so sullen now.

I think Spare will have been a big turning point because anyone whos read it can just see the gripes over everything, the lack of gratitude for monetary resources and connections the rest of the world could only ever dream of. Selling everyone down the river by spilling stories, nasty nicknames and cruel jibes. What struck me as well was in the whole time when he was with Meghan when he can point to so many other slights that people did towards him, he never said he did anything wrong.

It was always framed like can you believe how unreasonable these people are being for example something like he says Will and Kate were annoyed that they didn't bring Easter gifts but as a child if my Uncle had showed up on Easter Sunday without an easter egg for me, I would have been crushed. Rather than it completely slipped my mind I obviously should have brought something for the children, I was so focused on wedding planning at the time etc its no these people are outrageous to expect an easter gift

Why do you feel the need to correct my grammar. Does it make you feel superior?

Positivity, I imagine, goes a long way in the Land of Opportunity.

I apologised for not understanding and read what Arcane said.

But now I'm not sure I understand quite what you are saying.

We do not know what was said, so I can't agree that what Harry said wasn't racist was actually racist because of any reason.

I agree if they said a child might be 'too brown' that is racist but as the OP experienced I don't see talking about what a child would look like as racism.

And this is the problem- no one knows and those that do are not saying.

My personal view is that if the conversation was actually that awful then it would have been 'leaked'

Looking to the future I agree with a PP that their ability to succeed as producers is much harder now than it was when they first started.

If you are an author or screenwriter looking to find a production company to green light a movie/tv series adaptation of your work who are you going to turn to?

If it's great then you will likely have many options on the table. Do you go with a company with a great track history or H&M who to date have specialised in monitizing their own family connections - to variable critical response? Furthermore whose original content has either been scraped (pearl) or not recommissioned (archetypes) after being critically panned.

That leaves H&M looking at content other, more credible producers have probably turned down. That's not to say they might be lucky to pick up a diamond in the rough - but it's going to be more difficult to find.

Prior to their previous work and (fairly or not) getting a reputation of being "grifters" who are simultaneously difficult to work with and work shy then you could understand people taking a punt on them because their "status" was definitely a bonus from a PR/Promotional perspective.

Now - maybe not so much unless H&M outbid the competition (to a significant extent) to buy the rights - making the proposition for Archwell even more risky re: financial return, especially for novices in the field.

The next problem I doubt they have considered is even acquiring the rights, will they be able to pull in the big names? I see the Obamas latest venture stars Julia Roberts, Kevin Bacon and Ethan Hawke.

I doubt H&M are in the same position to "make a call" to actors at that level and frankly if they want to court the British A List contingent they might want to consider how many of those secretly harbour a knighthood/damehood from Harry's Dad or Brother at some time in the future - truly the waves can run much wider and in directions you didn't intend when you throw your rock into the water.

That’s what I thought too.

Totally agree. You don't just get up one morning and become a producer. It requires all sorts of skills, experience and personality traits which these two just don't have. Plus, as you say, they signed to Netflix over 3 years ago, which is a very long time in the industry. Yet their only 'success' has been their 'documentary' whining about the royals.

I really do think that Netflix signed them in the expectation of royal related material or some sort of pseudo royal reality show. I very much doubt Netflix believed that these two would ever be serious producers. How could they be?

That's because they have monetised everything, relationships, friendships, private conversations, others' personal details, supposed racism, - nothing seems to be out of bounds. Would you trust them?

I totally agree, @IcedPurple .
Why else would Netflix sign them up? They wanted royal details and the dirt dished.
It wasn't because they thought either were gifted content creators!