RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

So that's good, that even a billionaire can't go round the law and set up illegal security, even if he's the King.

I am not suggesting that they do interfere with legal and security services necessarily.

It sounded to me like that is exactly what you were suggesting.

Harry’s request is a drop in the ocean compared with some of those ingiungs and outgoings.

Harry has benefitted massively from being royal. That's how he can live a life of luxury with no talent or work ethic. And now he wants security on tap, paid for by British taxpayers, without contributing to the life of the nation in any way.

And you, a 'republican', support this?

I think Charles could use a bit of funding to make his son feel comfortable when he visits his home country. He is a multi millionaire in his own right fhs! One of his first priorities should be his son and his gc.

The 'gc' are their parents' responsibility. Not Charles'.

No point in me asking you, for the 100th time, exactly how it is that Harry seems to have no trouble affording all sorts of other stuff, but not security for the short periods he is in Britain? No answers from you there I guess?

So that's good, that even a billionaire can't go round the law and set up illegal security, even if he's the King.

This is so true! The fact that the monarch has been completely unable to overrule RAVEC is actually quite reassuring.

So that's good, that even a billionaire can't go round the law and set up illegal security, even if he's the King

System working exactly as it should be, then. On a case by case basis, and no because someone's influencing it.

Just trying to imagine the screaming if Chas interfered in RAVEC for someone who isn't the republican poster boy.

Anyway, as usual, it’s been lovely chatting!

I bow to all of your superior opinions… I really do question the naivety of believing that the RF have to stick to rigid rules if they don’t want to though. There are a thousand ways of making things happen when you are as rich and influential as they are.

Off to make up some jellies for tea! 😃

No point in me asking you, for the 100th time, exactly how it is that Harry seems to have no trouble affording all sorts of other stuff, but not security for the short periods he is in Britain? No answers from you there I guess?

Looks like it.

I’m sorry, I simply do not buy that the RF do not have the clout, power or influence to swerve the rules when it suits them

They certainly seem to operate in a mist of smoke and mirrors when it comes to financial matters surrounding the Duchies!

No need to sound apologetic, Sheepskinthrow; you were quite right in this

Thing is though, it's not necessary to support Harry to criticise Charles, or the reverse. They can both be in the wrong, and IMO often are

Indeed. Plus I think you'd have to be quite a hardline royalist to think that the King should over rule RAVEC.

Even if KC is so inclined as to somehow try to circumvent RAVEC and put full protection in place, surely Harry's very public legal procedures have put paid to that now. A year ago, probably no one knew about the workings of RAVEC and KC could have got away with it, now everyone knows the whys and wherefores and there's not a cat in hells chance he could pay for MET offices security without someone knowing about it!

I'm so sorry that's a complete load of cobblers !
That should have said West Country!
My internal compass is clearly. FUBAR !

That should have said West Country!

Ooh, me too - N Devon. Left when I was a teenager, though.

It wouldn't surprise me if senior royals exerted influence on certain procedures from time to time. No evidence that this has happened in this case however.

What would surprise me is a 'republican' advocating for this.

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I’m really not advocating it IcedPurple they can all go and (metaphorically speaking before anyone takes me literally and gets the hump 😁 ) jump in the ocean as far as I am concerned.

I am saying I believe it’s possible if he really wanted to make something work. The same as finding a flexible role for H & M would have been possible if the will had been there to do so.

Seriously, I would prefer them all to become private citizens and live a free life and then Charles has no reason to allow institutional barriers to come between him and his all important relationship with his son He’s no longer young. He needs to sort it out.

I suspect that, given the chance, he’d like Presidential style outriders, bulletproof car and big men in shades with one hand on a shoulder holster too 🙄
Delusions of grandeur abound with this pair.

Nah, it’s Harry’s lunchbox surely?

Ohh @JenniferJupiterVenusandMars , I'm picturing it all!
And I can hear Whitney Houston in the background!

Maybe Harry needs to sort himself out, @Sheepskinthrow , especially if he's still "hurting".

I am saying I believe it’s possible if he really wanted to make something work.

It wouldn't be possible without interfering in the operations of an independent organisation. You clearly think that would be a good thing.

The same as finding a flexible role for H & M would have been possible if the will had been there to do so.

No, that would not be possible. You can't represent the monarchy while merching your royal connections in California on the side.

Still no answer as to why Harry's security arrangements with RAVEC are inadequate? Or as to how he can afford all sorts of luxuries, just not security in Britain?

But then, I hadn't expected one.

At what point do a child's feelings of indignation and inadequacy cease to be the responsibility of their parent, I wonder?

I'd just like to point out that Harry could get elite CPP security if he gives RAVEC the requisite 28 days notice, and they utilise their Five Eyes intelligence to assess his threat levels and if they deem him under threat he'd be given it.

Or if he gives the requisite notice he could stay in a Royal Property with all the subsequent security on site.

If he stayed with his father he would absolutely get the elite level security he wants. Or with his brother.

This would entail them having adult conversations though.
I'd agree Charles does have a duty towards his youngest son, but that's forgetting his youngest son has spent the last 2+years lobbing figurative hand grenades towards his father, brother, step-mother, sister-in-law and their staff. That's a big ask for any family member to just suck up and forgive.

And it forgets that Charles isn't just a father. He's a Head of State - he has responsibilities that extend past his family. That's a difficult position to be in.

Excellent points, @MrsFinkelstein .

It’s odd to see republicans arguing for an Absolute Monarchy so that Charles can over rule Ravec and give Harry 24 hour security.

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You’d have to be a Charles I level royalist!