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pilates · 2023-12-06T07:02:46+00:00

Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:29

smilesy · 12/12/2023 14:03

As mentioned previously, I hope I am wrong, but I can see this getting much worse in a number of ways. It’s a shame that Harry was met with such intransigence and that they backed him in to a corner. Of course he was going to strike out

What intransigence? He wanted to have his cake and eat it. He was told no. And as has been said umpteen times, he has security when he is here as is deemed necessary. It’s not available for commercial ventures or jollies. Bad luck. He hasn’t been backed in to a corner. He has made unreasonable and unsustainable demands and been told no.

I genuinely disagree. Harry is a member of one of the richest and powerful families in the land.

They could make anything happen if they wanted to.

sashagabadon · 12/12/2023 16:33

To be fair I’m not sure you could buy a massive mansion with only one or two bathrooms. That too would be weird!

spanieleyes · 12/12/2023 16:33

So, you want the royal family to override RAVEC? Wouldn't that be considered an abuse of power?

Hughs · 12/12/2023 16:34

They could make anything happen if they wanted to.

Some things can't be bought though, like Met close protection officers. Charles cannot make that happen. To get those they'd have to persuade us to abandon democracy and put the royals in charge like in the good old days.

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:35

spanieleyes · 12/12/2023 16:33

So, you want the royal family to override RAVEC? Wouldn't that be considered an abuse of power?

Why yes , yes it would!
And the public outrage would be something to behold!

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 16:35

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:29

I genuinely disagree. Harry is a member of one of the richest and powerful families in the land.

They could make anything happen if they wanted to.

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Let's say that's true. I don't believe it is, but let's argue that it is.

Surely you, as a supposed republican, should be completely against the royals using their power to interfere with the legal and security services? Particularly on behalf of someone who chose to live abroad, paying no taxes in Britain and carrying out no duties on behalf of the nation? Why do you, who claim to be a republican, believe that Harry deserves more than you or I simply because of the family he was born into?

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:35

Mylovelygreendress · 12/12/2023 13:23

@Sheepskinthrow

“And while focusing on our splendid Ghurkas, everyone has missed my main point , that Harry would never have had to kick up a fuss about security or protection or funding, had his father or one of the many men in grey coats, taken a few moments to consider his situation properly. This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?”

I know I might come over as rude and I apologise however you seem to be spectacularly missing the point . It is not up to KC who qualifies for Met protection . It’s up to RAVEC and so it should be otherwise Andrew and family might well still receive it.

Even if KC wanted to pay for security , it would not be armed Met officers as they CANNOT be hired in the UK .
Or are you suggesting that KC take over payment of Harry’s US security ?

Thank you Mylovelygreendress 💐

I think a number of solutions could he made to work if the will was there. One solution could be that KC could quietly take over the bill of Harry’s private security when he visits the UK. No one need know. He is his son after all, not a distant relative, and as I said, this debacle - especially if it deteriorates further - could impact badly on all of them.

Hughs · 12/12/2023 16:37

To be fair I’m not sure you could buy a massive mansion with only one or two bathrooms. That too would be weird!

No, but I was thinking if every bedroom had an en suite that would be 9, and then another couple downstairs? Maybe I am underestimating the size of the place, but 9 bedrooms isn't huge.

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:37

I think a number of solutions could he made to work if the will was there. One solution could be that KC could quietly take over the bill of Harry’s private security when he visits the UK. No one need know. He is his son after all, not a distant relative, and as I said, this debacle - especially if it deteriorates further - could impact badly on all of them.

The problem with all these solutions is that Harry doesn't want the paid for security, HE wants the top tier government funded security, that cannot be bought !

sashagabadon · 12/12/2023 16:37

The royal family can’t really win on this.
they will be accused of undue influence on ravec in Harry’s favour or not doing enough for Harry whatever happens.

harry’s court cases are enlightening though. I hadn’t given it much thought previously but I now understand how security works and RAVEC much better than I did 😁

Chouxpastryishard · 12/12/2023 16:38

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:35

Thank you Mylovelygreendress 💐

I think a number of solutions could he made to work if the will was there. One solution could be that KC could quietly take over the bill of Harry’s private security when he visits the UK. No one need know. He is his son after all, not a distant relative, and as I said, this debacle - especially if it deteriorates further - could impact badly on all of them.

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The whole point is that Harry is demanding protection from the Met whilst in the U.K. That isn’t for sale even to Charles.

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 16:40

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:35

Thank you Mylovelygreendress 💐

I think a number of solutions could he made to work if the will was there. One solution could be that KC could quietly take over the bill of Harry’s private security when he visits the UK. No one need know. He is his son after all, not a distant relative, and as I said, this debacle - especially if it deteriorates further - could impact badly on all of them.

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There's some dramatic repositioning of the goalposts going on here.

I'm guessing that because neither you nor anyone else here has managed to say exactly what is wrong with an arrangement whereby Harry is provided with whatever security is deemed appropriate commensurate with expert risk assessments, you're now shifting the 'argument' to big bad Charles and his failure to subsidise his freedom finding, financially independent son without limits.

Then again, you've not been able to explain how Harry can afford a 'sprawling mansion', numerous expensive lawsuits, private jets, and of course armed security in California. But a security guard on the rare occasions he visits Britain is just beyond his budget. Although given that I don't think you've answered any of the questions put to you here, that's not really a surprise.

AliceOlive · 12/12/2023 16:41

I seem to remember that The Royal Bank of Dad was backing it up with cash for a time.

Maireas · 12/12/2023 16:42

Excellent points, @IcedPurple .

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/12/2023 16:43

The problem with all these solutions is that Harry doesn't want the paid for security, HE wants the top tier government funded security, that cannot be bought !

Some posters on this thread remind me of the ones when KC became king and they were querying why Camilla had the title queen. However much it was explained to them* in words of one syllable they still came back with BUT WHYYYYY?

Same with this thread. However many times it's pointed out that what he wants he isn't likely to get and why, they still carry on with 'well I'm sure there's a solution, maybe this? ' that's already been pointed out as unworkable and not on the table.

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

*At least three threads of 18 pages each, IIRC.

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:44

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Sorry this made me laugh @MrsDanversGlidesAgain ! 🤣

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/12/2023 16:45

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:44

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Sorry this made me laugh @MrsDanversGlidesAgain ! 🤣

It's a good one, innit? 😆

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:51

Childish but I'm partial to ;
Haven't got a pot to piss in ! 🤣

Maireas · 12/12/2023 16:51

It's a good one! I think some people don't want to understand.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/12/2023 16:52

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:51

Childish but I'm partial to ;
Haven't got a pot to piss in ! 🤣

Another one for you that I used on another thread - 'don't give a gnat's chuff.'

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:53

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 16:35

Let's say that's true. I don't believe it is, but let's argue that it is.

Surely you, as a supposed republican, should be completely against the royals using their power to interfere with the legal and security services? Particularly on behalf of someone who chose to live abroad, paying no taxes in Britain and carrying out no duties on behalf of the nation? Why do you, who claim to be a republican, believe that Harry deserves more than you or I simply because of the family he was born into?

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I am not suggesting that they do interfere with legal and security services necessarily. Although I’m sorry, I simply do not buy that the RF do not have the clout, power or influence to swerve the rules when it suits them.

They certainly seem to operate in a mist of smoke and mirrors when it comes to financial matters surrounding the Duchies!

Harry’s request is a drop in the ocean compared with some of those figures.

I am suggesting the reverse really as I think the nub of the problem is that, at every stage, far too many lawyers, committees, civil servants, and experts have come between direct face—to-face communication between father and son.

I think Charles could use a bit of funding to make his son feel comfortable when he visits his home country. Come on! How hard can it be? He is a multi millionaire in his own right fhs! One of his first priorities should be his son and his gc.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 12/12/2023 16:53

I think a number of solutions could he made to work if the will was there. One solution could be that KC could quietly take over the bill of Harry’s private security when he visits the UK.

Do you appreciate that Harry doesn't want private security? That he's asking for state security which is not for sale?

Maireas · 12/12/2023 16:55

Oh, I think Harry's had plenty from the Bank of Dad.
Yet he expects it to continue, no matter what he says, how he behaves and how much hurt and distress he causes.

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:55

Gnats chuff! 🤣🤣🤣
Love it! , I was brought fairly northish country so I won't add any more as they are all fairly sweary and extremely rude! 🤣

Roussette · 12/12/2023 16:55

He is a multi millionaire in his own right fhs! One of his first priorities should be his son and his gc

No @Sheepskinthrow

A double billionaire