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pilates · 2023-12-06T07:02:46+00:00

Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Mylovelygreendress · 12/12/2023 13:23

@Sheepskinthrow

“And while focusing on our splendid Ghurkas, everyone has missed my main point , that Harry would never have had to kick up a fuss about security or protection or funding, had his father or one of the many men in grey coats, taken a few moments to consider his situation properly. This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?”

I know I might come over as rude and I apologise however you seem to be spectacularly missing the point . It is not up to KC who qualifies for Met protection . It’s up to RAVEC and so it should be otherwise Andrew and family might well still receive it.

Even if KC wanted to pay for security , it would not be armed Met officers as they CANNOT be hired in the UK .
Or are you suggesting that KC take over payment of Harry’s US security ?

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 13:33

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?

I think 'financial independence' must be yet another of those things which Harry understands in a rather 'idiosyncratic' way.

Have you and the other 'republicans' thought about setting up a GoFundMe to buy the services of a few 'retired Gurkhas' for a poor exiled prince?

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 13:40

Mylovelygreendress · 12/12/2023 13:23

@Sheepskinthrow

“And while focusing on our splendid Ghurkas, everyone has missed my main point , that Harry would never have had to kick up a fuss about security or protection or funding, had his father or one of the many men in grey coats, taken a few moments to consider his situation properly. This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?”

I know I might come over as rude and I apologise however you seem to be spectacularly missing the point . It is not up to KC who qualifies for Met protection . It’s up to RAVEC and so it should be otherwise Andrew and family might well still receive it.

Even if KC wanted to pay for security , it would not be armed Met officers as they CANNOT be hired in the UK .
Or are you suggesting that KC take over payment of Harry’s US security ?

I'm also waiting to hear why Harry can afford private security in California for 50 weeks of the year, but not in Britain for the approximately 2 weeks in the year he spends there.

Or how he can afford frivolous lawsuits, but seemingly not all important security in Britain?

rosyglowcondition · 12/12/2023 13:41

KC may be a very wealthy man in his own right, but he is regarded as public property and his wealth likewise. Therefore he comes under criticism and scrutiny for spending 'his' money on projects not endorsed by the public. Ultimately ''his'' money is our money as he would have none of it were it not for the goodwill and support of the British people. Therefore paying for Harry's security is still us paying for it and most of us recognise the intrinsic unfairness of someone who does nothing for this country (except criticise it) nothing for the RF (except criticise it) and pays nothing into the tax system.

What are the optics? KC pays £4 million Pa for his runaway son and his runaway bride who have done nothing for this country for years?

Vespanest · 12/12/2023 13:49

Is there a monetary tipping point for those who think Charles should be paying Harry security of when Harry is wealthy enough to pay for his own security instead of his father who he repeatedly throws to the wolves. If Netflix, spare, and Spotify is not enough to be self sufficient then when is.

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 13:57

There are a lot of ex forces and spouses already on this board, myself included, my dh worked with the ghurkas and praised them highly, however your remarks still seem off to me ! Rustle them up !
The fact they are mostly poc makes this seem even worse to me , I'm sure you didn't mean it this way but still.

smilesy · 12/12/2023 14:03

As mentioned previously, I hope I am wrong, but I can see this getting much worse in a number of ways. It’s a shame that Harry was met with such intransigence and that they backed him in to a corner. Of course he was going to strike out

What intransigence? He wanted to have his cake and eat it. He was told no. And as has been said umpteen times, he has security when he is here as is deemed necessary. It’s not available for commercial ventures or jollies. Bad luck. He hasn’t been backed in to a corner. He has made unreasonable and unsustainable demands and been told no.

AliceOlive · 12/12/2023 15:12

smilesy · 12/12/2023 11:06

And about the Glock case, maybe it was a spare and the security guy was already carryin g another?

Maybe, but is it really necessary to carry a branded gun case? Can’t say I’ve ever seen that anywhere else. Surely it was just to say “look at me, I’ve got armed security”?

I just showed a Glock toting friend the picture. (Ok, not really toting, but he does own a couple) and he said "That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen."

spanieleyes · 12/12/2023 15:15

He feels like a 3 year old, throwing a temper tantrum " I want my security and I want it now!!!!"

JemimaTiggywinkles · 12/12/2023 15:25

In the UK there are 2 options:

state-provided security by the security services for those who need it, paid for by the state.
private security for anyone willing / able to pay.

Harry feels he needs option 1. However, it is not possible to pay for the first option. Harry should have known this at the time he offered to pay (I suspect he did) and I think it shows a real lack of intelligence on his part that he even suggested it (unless the offer was a PR thing of course). Any of his supporters who are still banging on about how KC should pay for it are making fools of themselves.

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Maireas · 12/12/2023 15:28

Hughs · 12/12/2023 11:06

I cannot understand why Meghan is still with this guy. She must have ambitions if she has signed up to a high-powered PR agency, but surely she realises that her association with Harry is wrecking her brand. It can't be easy to live with someone who has these problems either. The small children years are tough enough without your husband's memoir turning you into an international laughing stock. Love, I guess.

Titles, link to royalty, link to Diana.

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Maireas · 12/12/2023 15:30

"sense of hurt"
Ye gods, that's not grounds for wanting security 🙄

Roussette · 12/12/2023 15:38

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 13:10

Oh dear.

I’ve just come back to this thread in my lunch break.

While I respect and am interested to read everyone else’s views - even agree with parts of some of what Hughs and others have posted - please can I make the point that, as an adult with a family full of relatives in the forces, I really don't need “telling off” about my reference to Ghurkas for whom I have the highest of respect. Nor do I need to “reflect” on what I wrote thanks.

My reference to them was made, late in the evening, after a long day, with what I thought was a bit of levity and mild ironic humour (the Ghurkas being some of the fiercest combatants we know) alongside a reference to other private security arrangements which some posters have chosen either to ignore or deliberately misunderstand with poe-faced literalism.

And while focusing on our splendid Ghurkas, everyone has missed my main point , that Harry would never have had to kick up a fuss about security or protection or funding, had his father or one of the many men in grey coats, taken a few moments to consider his situation properly. This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?

Even the most die hard pro-Royalist news correspondent have alluded to the difficulties that newcomers have had joining the RF. And from that I think most of us can conclude it’s not an easy institution to join. Harry obviously saw his marriage as the moment when he would take on new serious roles, and he wanted his wife to be made welcome within the institution and the family. And he would naturally want to show her that he was a valued part of both. This did not happen and his pride was hurt.

Instead, what with the confusion of the pandemic, the D of E’s declining health, the transfer of power between the late QEII and KC and the history of unfortunate relations between KC v Diana, a degree of racism and unfair prejudice towards an American, mixed race, divorced actress, who I think genuinely wanted to get stuck in and work, and Harry with his sense of hurt from constantly being ignored or overlooked … the whole thing blew up … and it was all handled very poorly indeed.

As mentioned previously, I hope I am wrong, but I can see this getting much worse in a number of ways. It’s a shame that Harry was met with such intransigence and that they backed him in to a corner. Of course he was going to strike out!

Can I just say too that I totally agree with what Ironcurtain posted (I hope I have your nn right as I can’t scroll easily) that of course it would be equally damaging for the RF if a RPO or any other private PO lost their life defending Harry and his family. Of course. Very good point. And even more damaging for the RPOs themselves.

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@Sheepskinthrow

Great post and I agree with all you said. And well done you for persisting against all odds.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/12/2023 15:38

This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash

Considering their declared intention to "work towards financial independence" how much more cash do they want? (And let's not forget we don't actually know that Charles isn't still funding them)

As for recognising his hurt/need for recognition, I have to wonder what would be enough here too
Many of us will know someone like this - perpetual victims who consstantly blame everyone but themselves for their own choices and situation - and frankly there's only so much can be done in the face of constant whining when no responsibility's being accepted

Viviennemary · 12/12/2023 16:01

I bet he had no idea how much a 17 bathroomed mansion and an army of staff would cost. Never mind security on top of that. He had no idea how much his all expenses paid for life actually cost. He has got himself in a right mess.

Maireas · 12/12/2023 16:05

@Sheepskinthrow
You have no idea whether or not anyone in the family has addressed his "sense of hurt". You only have Harry's account, and he is an unreliable narrator.
What about the continuous hurt he gives others?
Anyway, this is about security. Not someone "hurting".

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:06

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Gosh.

You are quite wrong MrsDanversGlidesAgain but never mind.

Rudeness is always quite telling I think. 😀

AliceOlive · 12/12/2023 16:08

Nothing helpful springs to mind.

Sheepskinthrow · 12/12/2023 16:10

Thank you so much Roussette.

You too! ❤️

People seem to take umbrage if one happens to disagree with the majority of views, which we are perfectly entitled to do.

Never mind.

AliceOlive · 12/12/2023 16:10

Your best friends are Ghurkas?

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 16:20

Viviennemary · 12/12/2023 16:01

I bet he had no idea how much a 17 bathroomed mansion and an army of staff would cost. Never mind security on top of that. He had no idea how much his all expenses paid for life actually cost. He has got himself in a right mess.

I do wonder if his security needs are what he thinks they are. Would an independent security assessment really recommend the 5th in line walking around New York with conspicuously armed guards? Or driving 100m around the block in a fake convoy? Is an exiled British prince really such a high level target in America?

Also, that 'sprawling mansion', as Scobie described it, must be very difficult, and expensive, to secure. Wouldn't a more modest home have been more appropriate for someone supposedly so concerned with their security?

jeffgoldblum · 12/12/2023 16:22

Wouldn't be grand enough! @IcedPurple

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/12/2023 16:23

Seventeen bathrooms? SEVENTEEN??

Hughs · 12/12/2023 16:28

I've never understood why it has (reportedly) so many more bathrooms than bedrooms. What's that about? Is it so that their staff can have one each or something 🤔 Or are they just scattered about the place so one by the gym, one by the pool, one by the playroom, one by the cinema room etc etc?