RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Maybe the cases are particularly heavy and reinforced so that the security can just whack any would be assailant with it. This would of course be useful on this country where they can’t carry guns 😂 (although I am aware this photo was taken in the States)

From the queens letter to now there was one large fundamental change in regards to Charles paying for private security, Harry and Meghan became rich in their own right. Once it was clear of their intended revenue it changed the responsibility of payment not the need for protection.

I was going to say Harry should just bring those jack-wagons that were running his security detail during the slow-speed car chase in New York whenever he comes to London. They seem really on the ball. 🤣

It was when Harry was in New York earlier this year to film an interview to promote Spare.

I think there’s an element of that going on. Most people who use security don’t have them ostentatiously carrying around cases branded “Glock” for example.

It's so desperate and pathetic and embarrassing 🙈

Dear Christ.

Actually, I’m beginning to wonder if they have any real security, or if they are all hired actors 🤔. The ostentatious display of the Glock case and then the farcical car chase with all sorts of odd decisions with relation to security (taxi, anyone?). And the time they drove round the block in blacked out cars instead of taking the most direct route to their destination. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking it is all for show 🤷‍♀️😂😂

We have and have had friends who carry a service weapon at all times due to their jobs. Not once have I seen their weapon. This way, even when coming to our house for a visit!

One recently retired and is delighted he no longer has to go through the rigamarole required to get one on an airplane in the cabin. He was definitely not carrying it around in a little cute suitcase.

Please let this be true.

The NYC debacle is how I formed my opinion that Harry knows fuck-all about managing his own security and need to leave it to the professionals.

Twice in a court of law being found to have lied and yet some people still believe every word they utter, including racist/unconscious bias allegations

Doubtless some still do, but given the ongoing silence from those who were once loud in insisting their every word was "proof" of whatever-it-was I wouln't want to assume

And about the Glock case, maybe it was a spare and the security guy was already carryin g another?

He lives in an alternate reality that he’s created, fuelled by his obsession with seeing himself as a victim, treated badly by the UK and the royal family. He has no ability to look back at what he said and understand that other people heard. And his wife is part of it, she’s just as bad.

One possibly good thing that might come from this is that if they read it properly, people might realise that KC does not make these decisions. Some people think the king is like a medieval ruler, directly controlling the armed forces and telling the police what to do, giving orders. As Head of State he actually has little direct involvement in State and Government activities and very few powers.

Maybe the ostentatious display of the Glock case was to confirm Harry has armed security? Cos he is like, so important?

I cannot understand why Meghan is still with this guy. She must have ambitions if she has signed up to a high-powered PR agency, but surely she realises that her association with Harry is wrecking her brand. It can't be easy to live with someone who has these problems either. The small children years are tough enough without your husband's memoir turning you into an international laughing stock. Love, I guess.

And about the Glock case, maybe it was a spare and the security guy was already carryin g another?

Maybe, but is it really necessary to carry a branded gun case? Can’t say I’ve ever seen that anywhere else. Surely it was just to say “look at me, I’ve got armed security”?

Interesting take. 😂

@AliceOlive

One recently retired and is delighted he no longer has to go through the rigamarole required to get one on an airplane in the cabin. He was definitely not carrying it around in a little cute suitcase.

FWIW I've seen certainly been aware of PPOs traveling on aircraft who had those sort of suitcases but they definitely weren't branded in the way seen in that image.

I have seen makeup and other carrying cases that look like this, too. I don’t think anyone properly transporting a weapon is doing it in a way that’s so easy to identify.

I thinks it's all about both.

1. Status . It's clear from all the books and interviews that Harry struggled massively with his status as 'less important' than William. He grew up with that level of security and ihe feels the lack of it reflects on his importance as a person.

2 Money. Even allowing for his half baked I'll pay for myself offer which he must have never intended . Security of any sort is expensive and despite all the cash they've reportedly made. They have a very very expensive life style with security. Nanny's. Couture clothes, private jet . Without a long term source of income which they don't have. They won't be long about blowing through that . They will become less and less marketable as they age I think that was part of the reason for the recent olive branch to a Charles .

Yes - and also their best chance of getting back in with the family and maintaining their royal status / relevance is through Charles. When he dies and they have to deal with William, it will be much more difficult.

I agree. Their only option is to re establish links with the RF or retire to the quiet privacy they pretend to want.

Frankly they are a busted flush when it comes to royal duties in this country. Very few people can stand either of them now they have shown who they really are. They would actually be detrimental now to the royal brand.

How anyone could snatch such a huge defeat from the jaws of victory is beyond me.

I dont think they will ever be able to get back in. Perhaps Harry on his own but not Harry and Meghan, Things went too far. William would never stand for it.

Where do you think she’d be without ‘this guy’ exactly? Another D list series ?

Is it really necessary to carry a branded gun case?

Well the LAPD don't, but I expect this guy was private security

Apart from anything else it invites an attack to nick the firearm - not that they're hard to get in the US

@Chouxpastryishard She could have struck lucky and married Ashley Cole?

Oh dear.

I’ve just come back to this thread in my lunch break.

While I respect and am interested to read everyone else’s views - even agree with parts of some of what Hughs and others have posted - please can I make the point that, as an adult with a family full of relatives in the forces, I really don't need “telling off” about my reference to Ghurkas for whom I have the highest of respect. Nor do I need to “reflect” on what I wrote thanks.

My reference to them was made, late in the evening, after a long day, with what I thought was a bit of levity and mild ironic humour (the Ghurkas being some of the fiercest combatants we know) alongside a reference to other private security arrangements which some posters have chosen either to ignore or deliberately misunderstand with poe-faced literalism.

And while focusing on our splendid Ghurkas, everyone has missed my main point , that Harry would never have had to kick up a fuss about security or protection or funding, had his father or one of the many men in grey coats, taken a few moments to consider his situation properly. This all could have been avoided had someone clocked his need for recognition and addressed his sense of hurt (whether justified or not) and backed it up with a bit of cash.

Surely spending some of his private income would have been worth KC’s while, if it meant avoiding the current debacle?

Even the most die hard pro-Royalist news correspondent have alluded to the difficulties that newcomers have had joining the RF. And from that I think most of us can conclude it’s not an easy institution to join. Harry obviously saw his marriage as the moment when he would take on new serious roles, and he wanted his wife to be made welcome within the institution and the family. And he would naturally want to show her that he was a valued part of both. This did not happen and his pride was hurt.

Instead, what with the confusion of the pandemic, the D of E’s declining health, the transfer of power between the late QEII and KC and the history of unfortunate relations between KC v Diana, a degree of racism and unfair prejudice towards an American, mixed race, divorced actress, who I think genuinely wanted to get stuck in and work, and Harry with his sense of hurt from constantly being ignored or overlooked … the whole thing blew up … and it was all handled very poorly indeed.

As mentioned previously, I hope I am wrong, but I can see this getting much worse in a number of ways. It’s a shame that Harry was met with such intransigence and that they backed him in to a corner. Of course he was going to strike out!

Can I just say too that I totally agree with what Ironcurtain posted (I hope I have your nn right as I can’t scroll easily) that of course it would be equally damaging for the RF if a RPO or any other private PO lost their life defending Harry and his family. Of course. Very good point. And even more damaging for the RPOs themselves.