RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

I agree that there are probably few highly trained PPOs idly drifting around, but I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen.

Apart from the rather bizarre reference to “retired Ghurkas”, you are completely missing the point that Harry wants Special Protection because of their access to intelligence and because they are armed. No amount of privately provided security is going to satisfy this requirement as government intelligence will not be provided to a private security unit (even one funded by the King), and they will not be allowed to carry weapons. So it looks like our wonderful retired Ghurkas are safe 🙄

Harry could hire his own retired Gurkhas. But he thinks they’re not good enough. He wants the access to the intelligence. That’s what’s not for sale!

But if there WAS anything to suggest he was in danger, he’d get the full monty in protection paid for by us NOW!

He wants the prestige. I'm a somebody. I'm a royal prince part of the royal privileged family Windsor. Though I do nothing but complain about them. I left in a huff but still want the freebie perks. And able to 'earn' my own money too. Yeah we get it Harry.

Bear with me (EDIT: I’m not sure this is the correct thread so apologies if not)

If I’m correct in my understanding (and I’m not certain I am correct) I it find most interesting that 2 judges have found the Sussexes have lied.

The judge in Meghan’s case when she was found to have ‘forgotten’ to have passed information on and now this judge in Harry’s case.

Twice in a court of law being found to have lied and yet some people still believe every word they utter, including racist/unconscious bias allegations.

If I’m not correct then I apologise and I’m sure someone will be along to correct me.

I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen

Do the recently retired Gurkhas (and their families) get a say in this 'summoning up'? or do they just obediently jump on a plane to go wherever royal whims take them for however long? 😆

Gurkhas wouldn't be enough anyway I don't think, because that's not what William has.

I do think Harry sees unfairness in not being treated the same as his brother. But William will always be higher up the ranks, it's a no-win situation. Always taller, brighter, more powerful, have a closer resemblance to their mother, and currently more popular and closer to their father and the rest of the family. Until Harry gets over that he will never be happy.

I agree that there are probably few highly trained PPOs idly drifting around, but I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen.

So it's all about money now?

I thought Harry wanted to be 'financially independent'?

He pays privately for security year round in California. He hardly ever visits Britain. So what difference would paying for a few extra weeks make? And if he can afford a mansion in one of the most exclusive towns in California, surely he can fund his own security?

Harry will have to pay out £50k in one of his many frivolous court cases, plus his own costs. That could cover quite a few 'retired Ghurkas'.

Because they caught him out in his lie about paying ( aka PR stunt )
Then he got the rage and tried to punish them - court is his only tool

with his family he has other ways to punish them

Harry can already bring or access high quality civilian close protection teams - no need to use Gurkhas (who generally do not have any advanced CP training) or any other from-scratch arrangement.

There are several private military companies which can supply teams, and they say they have retired military (inc special forces) and police CP personnel. All Harry needs to do is give them adequate notice. (And of course pay)

It's actually lifted directly from the Judges ruling.
It's definitely the language and phrases he used.

London is known for being very safe for VIPs and billionaires, which is one reason why so many choose to live there. Unless they are high level dignitaries, none of these people will have police protection for themselves and their families. Yet they manage very well with private security firms, who also liase with the police.

This isn't about security for Harry. It's about status. It always is.

I suspect, given the sheer amount of information he puts in to the public domain, ant answer to having actual intelligence would be "no fucking way"

Assessed information (all sources, including intelligence) might be more suitable for sharing - but I think that might be better shared to the CP team, who - if he's hired good ones - will have a background in this and can be more relied on to keep it confidential. I can see why knowing nature of any threat - even low risk - might assist them in planning. But of course if the threat were substantial, then officials wouldn't be sharing it, they'd be directing the police elite unit to take over.

It says a lot about how entitled / deluded / unwell he is that he thinks taxpayers should fork out for unnecessary security just to make him feel a bit better about himself.

They still wouldn’t be allowed weapons though, would they, which was one of the things I seem to remember he wanted back whenever this whole shenanigans over security started. That’s another reason he wants actual Met special protection. Outriders with guns. Looks far more impressive 😆

I once saw a private firm doing a rolling road block protective manoeuvre round their principle whilst going round Hyde Park Corner - one of the most impressive bits of driving I've ever seen.

But most people wouldn't have even spotted it was happening - they're that good!

The RF don’t choose to exist in the way they do. It’s a machine over which they themselves have little control . Charles is wealthy on paper but I’m not sure how much of his income is actually available for him to spend privately. I believe he funds Andrews protection himself. Finding protection abroad for his son and family for the rest of their lives is a much more costly operation and unsustainable. It also sets a precedent where other members of the family might demand the same. Harry was supposedly sending his protection officers off to run errands , as someone upthread mentioned.

As for psychological and emotional issues he may suffer from, he’s had years of therapy. He can choose to see his second in line status as a blessing, since he won’t have to be King with all the restrictions entailed by that position. Anne , Edward and to some extent Andrew have managed their lives without harbouring massive grudges . Harry doesn’t choose to see the massive privileges and enormous good fortune he has received. Instead he focuses on negativity and blame, whilst taking no responsibility for anything himself.

I agree. The best security is the most discrete, but I suspect that Harry actually wants all the bells and whistles to underline his belief in his self importance 😂

I think the question of who pays for the security is somewhat less important. Isn’t the bigger challenge the fact that state-provided RPO are expected to put themselves in harm’s way to protect their principal? And therefore we need rigorous process on who is granted such protection on the nation’s behalf and under what conditions? Which is why those with very high ranking official positions have this level of protection but almost nobody else.

I expect ‘national interest’ will be a key part of the judicial review. I feel for Harry for many of the reasons @Sheepskinthrow highlighted and I think the late Queen’s letter was underlining just how important Harry continued to be to her and her family. But I expect the discussion is on how to balance the different expectations.

Just as much as Harry being hurt in the UK due to lack of state security would be an unmitigated disaster for the Royal Family, so would a RPO being hurt while protecting Harry during a, let’s say commercially-driven activity, would be. There’s no easy answer which is why I expect the bespoke solution was advanced.

I think there’s an element of that going on. Most people who use security don’t have them ostentatiously carrying around cases branded “Glock” for example.

@Serenster , that picture always confuses me !
What is the point of a gun in a box? , if anything happens , it would be fast , how would the guy get the gun out in time?
So many questions!

Glock is a well-known manufacturer of handguns 😀

🤯🤯🤯

When was this photo taken?