RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

@Sheepskinthrow ” a boy “ ?? Seriously ? In your world when does a male become a man ? Responsible for his own life ?

Sheepskinthrow - you’re being immensely kind and ppppossibly veering on sentimental to the boy that Harry once was and that’s lovely - someone has to be on his side for the right reasons.

However - no matter how much sympathy one has for Harry’s feelings, it simply wouldn’t be right for him to be able to use taxpayer funded protection when there is no credible physical threat that the police can find.

Nor should HMK be able to spare a few million to buy the same for his family; estranged / sacked / stroppy / mass holidaying. He didn’t even for his then future wife [clunky sentence]. He paid for retiree police protection, but even he as the then Monarch’s son, couldn’t buy the Met and their resources. And that is a good thing.

Apropos of nothing but I've just seen him referred to as Prince Harry Antoinette on another thread and it made me laugh 😆

His entitlement, greed, and lack of self-awareness are off the scale.

I mean shit, we should all be able to roll through life coming and going everywhere as we please, with the feelings of safety and whotnot plus also unlimited access to free couture. I would feel safest with a unicorn by my side upon command, but alas.

Of all the things that are unjust in the world, poor boy Harry’s not having many someone’s sitting around in another country waiting for him to appear is not on the radar.

I think a special case could easily be made for him if the will was there. An extra bodyguard here or there

Do you think special protection officers grow on trees or are just hanging around waiting for Harry to put on an appearance? Special protection look after both Royals and politicians as well as visitors from overseas. They are not at the King’’s personal beck and call to send to look after his son when he decides to rock up 🙄

It's the casualness, isn't it? like saying oh a few cushions scattered around would make this place a bit cosier. As if those 'extra bodyguards' can be just magicked up rather than being taken from other duties - and the police are short of numbers as it is.

And the fact that H would feel free to hit them or send them out for takeaway drinks. Imagine being so casual with armed, specially trained officers.

Yep, I can remember reading the statement H&M made at the time that they had chosen to step down. The Queen was alive then and she refused the ridiculous half in half out nonsense H&M wanted. The Queen would have never forced him out.

Let's not forget he put a target on to his own back, and of Meghan's and his DC when he bragged about killing the Afghanistan's and thinking it was like a game of chess, taking them out.

On a twist today he's been ordered to pay the Daily Mail £48k as they have a strong case. The judge refused to strike their case out.

Yes the judgement is pretty scathing. To actually report that the claimants PR machine put spin on the facts to mislead the public (paraphrased) is harsh indeed. And to say it's unlikely to succeed at trial damning. If Harry has an ounce of common sense he will settle out of court.

that language is from the article in question.

ANL lost their strike out application for the hacking case Harry and others are involved in, so I imagine there are costs there for them on that one as there are for this libel one for Harry.

I do not understand why Harry chose this to bring a legal claim against the mail especially whilst simultaneously bringing the case against the home office. It’s not like the mail have not and will not in the future report on Harry in which he can bring legal action. The mail are going to try to get “breaking news” Scobie and in the current climate it I was Harry being anywhere near Scobie would be a no no.

I think he has 5 ongoing cases? 4 against newspapers and 1 against the home office??? No wonder everyone is confused...not least Harry

If Harry has an ounce of common sense he will settle out of court

Would ANL have to agree to that though?

As I said on another thread I expect how it's going now suits them just fine, given the money they can make from the ongoing story

I’ve been out this evening. I don’t have time to address all of the comments individually I’m afraid because I have to work tomorrow.

Predictably, I see the incorrect interpretation of the Taliban paragraph has been wheeled out yet again 😀👍 🙄

Of course Harry is not literally a boy but he is emotionally stuck in that place where his needs constantly came second to that of his brother and when he endured the trauma of losing a parent.

I could write at length about the ludicrousness and psychological cruelty of an institution that imposes rank and status and division on small children, along with a future over which they have little control, which they then have to live out under intense and relentless public scrutiny. It shouldn’t be allowed in 2023 really but somehow it is and there’s not much point in arguing against it here.

My point is that many of you are doing what the RF and the institutions that serve it, are doing, and addressing Harry’s emotional hurt with rational, logical, arguments for rules and proper procedure, without addressing the cause, which has resulted in Harry taking up more extreme positions and leaving him with very little to lose.

I agree that there are probably few highly trained PPOs idly drifting around, but I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen.

I agree with the pp who said that this is partially about status but not of the royal kind. This is about familial relationships. By demanding security, Harry is asking his father “ when all is said and done, what value am I to you? Is my value to you as a son, equal to that of my brother William?”

I also think it’s incredibly unwise as well as unkind of KC to be so intransigent in Harry’s case. If, God forbid, something awful does happen to Harry or his family, I think it could potentially reflect very poorly on the Monarchy in general and on KC in particular.

I agree that there are probably few highly trained PPOs idly drifting around, but I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen.

Harry, who is also a millionaire, has access to the most expensive private security he desires. He doesn't need his father for that. What he wants is security of the standard given by the uk security services. And that isn't for sale. It doesn't matter if KC is offering to pay or Harry himself. What Harry wants simply cannot be bought.

I cannot get my head around the expectation of funded security from the royal family to a person who is making multi millions off the back of not only the family but the person who is in control of the money. Not just Charles but Camilla, William and Katherine. How much more does he need to throw at Charles as I certainly don’t think it’s over. It doesn’t really matter who is the leak of the royal racist storm, it’s Harry who is the source. Why would Harry want funding from his father and ultimately his brother who he has zero respect for. If Harry is right and they are as vile as he makes out why would he want anything more to do with them, including their money when he is rich is his own right.

"I agree that there are probably few highly trained PPOs idly drifting around, but I stand by my argument that KC, one of the richest men in the world, with millions of pounds of private income at his disposal, and thousands of contacts within the British forces, could easily summon up some recently retired Ghurkas, or pther private security arrangements to protect Harry and his family if they really wanted to make that happen."

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You really might want to reflect on what you posted above @Sheepskinthrow.

Ghurkas, in service or retired are not just available to be "summoned up". Interesting you didn't reference paras, marines or special forces....what's the difference I wonder

You might also consider what precedent the monarch using funds from the Duchy of Lancaster to pay security for H&M (who live abroad and chose not to be working royals) would set and how the optics look to the public.

You seem to forget the difference between Charles as a father and the King. What he might want to do as a monarch and a father could be very different.

Fundamentally this is a situation of H&M's own making. They have chosen a lifestyle that "compromises" their security by virtue of where they live. That deficit in security is their obligation to fill and finance.

When in the UK their security needs will be met with appropriate notice and under appropriate circumstances (which doesn't include filming for Netflix). That not unfair.

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Great post - agree 💯

I cannot for the life of me understand why the Ghurkas was suggested

Harry's not had the easiest background? He was brought up in an unfair system? That's not a reason to have extra taxpayer funded security, on his terms, as he decides.
This is not a situation to be governed by emotions.

Harry is a man in his late 30s with a wife
and two children. Despite being independently very wealthy, he has chosen to pursue a career earning money by insulting his family, in particular his sister in law and his mother in law. His wife also insulted his late grandmother, and both he and his wife caused pain to his grandparents in the last years of their lives.

Before his marriage, as well as love and support he also had years of cosseting and protection from his family, including all the protection of the royal PR machine. Indeed his father continued with financial support for a time even though Harry declared to the world that he had been ‘cut off’.

He has access to the very best therapy and treatment money can buy.

When here in the UK he has security so good that money literally can’t buy it.

Yet according to Harry, and to posters like Sheepskinthrow, the King, Ravec, HM courts should bend especially for him!

As for calling in retired Gurkhas, words fail me!

By demanding security, Harry is asking his father “ when all is said and done, what value am I to you? Is my value to you as a son, equal to that of my brother William?”

I agree with this, I think his problem may well be that William gets it, so Harry thinks he should have it. But what he wants is not his father's to give, these are public resources. So it's not about his value as a son. To Ravec, to the UK, no, his value is not equal to that of William who is the heir to the throne and whose life is spent in service to the nation.

I feel sorry for Harry. He will never be happy if he expects not just Charles but the UK to value the two of them the same. I guess if he hasn't come to terms with their relative places in the hierarchy by now, he never will. I can't see a solution, it's just going to get worse as William becomes more important and Harry less.

In my post above, obviously I mean stepmother, not mother-in-law.