RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Yes, @jeffgoldblum . He deserves more protection because "he's a boy who's hurting" 🙄

Just one example - David Olusoga's series about being black in Britain. The last episode, where he relates his family having to barricade themselves (when he was a child) into their home as racists attacked it.

The next day they left for their own safety.

What protection did they have?

He should be treated as a son and a brother and should be able to come and go from the UK as he pleases with the level of security that makes him feel comfortable and secure.

From the taxpayers' point of view, why should he?

Of what national importance is Harry's presence in the country?

It's not "attack".
If someone posts something like that, they will be challenged!

Mindblowing - the poster about the 'hurting boy', and the poster justifying it.

Mindblowing

She qualified it! But you carry on... a convenient way to 'challenge' for you

Don't get personal.
She didn't qualify it. She knows he's 40. I didn't attack her. I do not get personal.
I just thought it was a strange excuse for security.

I don't believe my post is 'personal'.

Even if we ignored the ‘he’s hurting’ thing. Why should being the son and the brother of a monarch confer any MORE special privileges than he already has had throughout his whole life?

He gets security. He will get security. He won’t be homeless when he comes to the UK. He could literally buy a flat in Central London today if he wanted to. He could also stay in any royal residence. He hasn’t really had to work at a 9-5 job. He has connections because he is the son and brother of a monarch (in a way ordinary Afghanistan veterans don’t have). Now he’s saying what he has been given as part of his hitherto privileged life isn’t enough, he just wants that bit more. To bend the rules for him a bit more.

Why?

Exactly. And why is Harry more deserving of feeling comfortable and secure than any other person on the street?

Thousands of people who have grown up or live in abusive situations where they suffer very real threats on a day to day basis. Funding doesn't exist to offer adequate protection to so many people in this country, and it's this same resource that Harry wants commandeered for his own personal use. He's already so much more privileged than the vast majority of people in this country in the security provision made for him, let alone his wealth and other privileges. Why on earth should he get more just because he wants it, even when it's not been deemed necessary?

"a convenient way to challenge for you."
No, not for me I'm joining in a discussion.

< Apologies for taking so long to reply to posts. Whenever I click on this thread, I keep being taken back to a post I wrote many days ago, and I can’t scroll back very effectively on this device.>

Sounds like you may have inadvertently bookmarked your previous post, @Sheepskinthrow ? Click on the icon at the bottom of the post to unbookmark it, if so.

But no one seems to have the emotional intelligence to get to the heart of the matter.

Back to your long post - surely it’s the 40 year old Prince who walked away of his own volition who needs to gain that emotional intelligence and learn that actions have consequences? Even if you’re a Prince? Why should everyone dance to his tune? Validating his behaviour will only make him think he is right to expect special treatment.

No, it won’t be reversed, as apparently he has to pay by the 29th Dec according to the news.

Yes, and if you read the court documents, they make it clear that the criteria for allocating security involves not just a risk assessment, but also an assessment of the extent to which a successful attack might impact national security. So put simply, a serious racist attack against Rishi Sunak would be of much more importance to Britain as a nation than a similar attack against an 'ordinary' person, even though both would be equally heinous.

Harry isn't just anyone in the sense that he's the king's son, and so special arrangements have been made for him. However, he holds no public role and has chosen to live abroad to act as a CHIMPO for a corporate life coaching firm. So his personal travel plans are really of very little importance to the British nation and that will, quite rightly, be reflected in security assessments.

I'm sorry but referring to a middle aged prince " as a boy hurting" cannot then be qualified after by saying yes I know he's 40 !
It's this hype of Harry being young and a young couple being used for emotional blackmail, to guilt people into thinking he deserves even more privileges even more special treatment!

Harry needs to grow up! Boy hurting is just giving excuses for his behaviours, which is to blame everyone he can for his own failings or people refusing to do his wishes

A "boy hurting" so badly he is making it his life's work to denigrate and demonise his family, via the very media he so apparently despises.

Calling 40 year old man a 'boy' who is hurting

Really?

Do you excuse William's actions - when you criticise them - in the same way?

Yes, the 'attacking a young couple'

They were in their mid/late 30s when they married!

Not only is it hyperbole it's also infantilising Harry !
Is he really only capable of interacting at a child's level?
I would not have thought so ! And I'm sure he would find it very insulting.

Yep.

They are a 'young couple'. Harry is a 'boy' who is 'hurting'

By the way @parksandrecs , I found your posts on the other thread very informative!
I read a lot but don't post on all , and I have no knowledge of charities.👍

If it were the family withholding security from him when they could provide it you might have a point (leaving aside the 39-year-old army veteran husband and father boy thing). But these are national resources, funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the nation as the police and security services see fit. They are not in the King's gift. They are also not for sale and cannot be claimed on the basis of how unhappy someone is.

Harry chose to leave the UK, to resign as a working royal and to be financially independent. Of course as a private citizen he's not going to get high level security if it's not needed, just because he wants it. And of course as the son of the monarch and a person in the public eye he will get high level security if he does need it.

No matter how it is qualified, I don’t think H is a ‘boy who is hurting’.

He is, however, a man who is hurting.

The thing that is oft forgotten is that two men carry that same hurt with them.

I appreciate that he feels he should still be entitled to security. I would ordinarily have thought that should have been accommodated to a small degree if he went off to live his life in the pursuit of real happiness. No upset. No drama. Living a happy life with his family. And to an extent it could be argued he did that.

But that wasn’t really the road he chose. We all know what has been said and done. No point in re-hashing it.

Sometimes the choices you make in life have consequences. The rest of us have no option but to deal with those consequences.

There is no doubt he seems to be hurting. But he won’t be the only one.

All it presses home to me is that some hurt people choose to hurt people.

Most choose not to.

If he chooses to come here, then unless he is with other royals under their security, he should arrange his own private security.

I’m not sure someone who wanted to cut all ties in such a way should be entitled to anything more.

I do agree with how you put it hughs.