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RAVEC - Prince Harry

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pilates · 06/12/2023 07:02

Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

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parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:03

Well, that's a good point too!

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:13

Fair enough, the press must be held to account, and so are those playing the press game

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:13

No doubt it will be reversed if Harry wins in the end

Sheepskinthrow · 11/12/2023 16:25

I don’t have time now to reply to everyone who disagrees with me individually because, as usual, there are so many serried ranks of you 😬 .

In summary, I think there is a tendency to only do things one way because it has always been done this way, when all traditions were brand spanking new practices at one point. I think a special case could legitimately made for H & M, simply because their situation is unique, thanks to recent and historical events.

I don’t think that Harry should be treated like every other high ranking politician or official who lives outside the UK and visits occasionally. He should be treated as a son and a brother and should be able to come and go from the UK as he pleases with the level of security that makes him feel comfortable and secure.

I am aware that my views are not shared by the majority on this thread. I think Harry has had a hideous time. He had the experience of his mother dying being chased by paps some of whom took photos instead of helping. And he wants to protect his wife and family. And now, for all the reasons I’ve stated down thread, he and his wife are vilified globally in a way that is disproportionate to his offences imho. (Why people do not reserve their ire for Andrew I do not know?)

I think a special case could easily be made for him if the will was there. An extra bodyguard here or there. The RF could pay for it privately if they so wished. They have millions! They could make it happen. Instead he has been left with very few options but to challenge all of these rigid systems and protocols via legal methods.

The boy is hurting. And yes I know he’s nearly forty! But no one seems to have the emotional intelligence to get to the heart of the matter. And now, imo, some dangerous rhetoric has been allowed to flourish around them.

A little flexibility and care at all stages of this saga could have gone a long way to preventing it in the first place.

IcedPurple · 11/12/2023 16:26

Maireas · 11/12/2023 15:34

What's your evidence that racist concerns aren't given enough weight?

Apparently because the decisions are being made by 'white men', even though the current Home Secretary is black and two previous two have been women of Asian descent. Not that I'm a fan of any of them, but just pointing this out, especially as Harry's Judicial Review is directly challenging the Home Secretary.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:29

As a taxpayer I don't think Harry should be treated differently from any other potential high profile figure.

His mother dying - sadly other children have that experience (including his brother)

So many ordinary victims of racism and misogyny get no help. And can't afford their own security.

If there is a credible threat they should get security (even those with known violent ex-partners don't)

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:30

Sorry, high risk figure potentially at risk

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/12/2023 16:34

I don’t think he should be treated like every other high ranking politician or official who lives outside the UK and visits occasionally

Why not? that's what he is. That's what he chose, never mind this 'driven out' balls.

He should be treated as a son and a brother

He will be. He'll get the same security as the rest of the RF when he visits. Prince Edward's a son and a brother and he's not demanding extra security.

I think a special case could easily be made for him if the will was there. An extra bodyguard here or there

What, British police detailed to be security in California, you mean? and if the threat's that bad and their situation so unique, what's one extra bodyguard going to do to mitigate that?

themessygarden · 11/12/2023 16:39

I am aware that my views are not shared by the majority on this thread.

Not just on this thread, the majority of the British tax paying public do not share your views either.

Maireas · 11/12/2023 16:39

the boy is hurting
The "boy" is an adult and a parent. He has had access to support and therapy for many years.
If you are "hurting" it doesn't mean that you automatically get more security protection.
What about Andrew? It's not personal. I have always disliked him, and have the lowest opinion of him as a person. However. If Ravec decide he needs protection, so be it.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:39

Sheepskinthrow · 11/12/2023 16:25

I don’t have time now to reply to everyone who disagrees with me individually because, as usual, there are so many serried ranks of you 😬 .

In summary, I think there is a tendency to only do things one way because it has always been done this way, when all traditions were brand spanking new practices at one point. I think a special case could legitimately made for H & M, simply because their situation is unique, thanks to recent and historical events.

I don’t think that Harry should be treated like every other high ranking politician or official who lives outside the UK and visits occasionally. He should be treated as a son and a brother and should be able to come and go from the UK as he pleases with the level of security that makes him feel comfortable and secure.

I am aware that my views are not shared by the majority on this thread. I think Harry has had a hideous time. He had the experience of his mother dying being chased by paps some of whom took photos instead of helping. And he wants to protect his wife and family. And now, for all the reasons I’ve stated down thread, he and his wife are vilified globally in a way that is disproportionate to his offences imho. (Why people do not reserve their ire for Andrew I do not know?)

I think a special case could easily be made for him if the will was there. An extra bodyguard here or there. The RF could pay for it privately if they so wished. They have millions! They could make it happen. Instead he has been left with very few options but to challenge all of these rigid systems and protocols via legal methods.

The boy is hurting. And yes I know he’s nearly forty! But no one seems to have the emotional intelligence to get to the heart of the matter. And now, imo, some dangerous rhetoric has been allowed to flourish around them.

A little flexibility and care at all stages of this saga could have gone a long way to preventing it in the first place.

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A special case for him... because?

He's 'hurting'. (a 'boy'?!)

So are very many people, without his privileges, without the ability - unlike him - to pay for therapy.

Vespanest · 11/12/2023 16:42

Is Harry unique in regards to level of threat, not sure he is even within the royal family. Agree about Andrew, could easily argue that he too has a unique set of circumstances, even if most are self inflicted that he too should be entitled to full protection, similar to his brother. Andrew’s could be argued even worse as no one is giving him any deals to earn money.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:42

I look forward to the other RF critics to weigh in on your behalf, that whatever their privilege it is nothing compared to Harry's...

IcedPurple · 11/12/2023 16:43

I think a special case could easily be made for him if the will was there. An extra bodyguard here or there. The RF could pay for it privately if they so wished. They have millions! They could make it happen. Instead he has been left with very few options but to challenge all of these rigid systems and protocols via legal methods.

What 'rigid systems and protocols'?

Do you think taxpayer funded security should be handed out to foreign residents just like that?

And if it's about private bodyguards, then surely he can pay for it himself, just as he does in California? I thought it was all about 'financial independence'?

Maireas · 11/12/2023 16:43

Indeed, @parksandrecs - people who have to wait for NHS counselling, not pick up the phone and get immediate care.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/12/2023 16:45

I wonder if there's some thinking at RAVEC that if they cave on this it'll be like Danegeld. Another demand, and another, and another.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:45

and people who are victims of domestic violence... and racial abuse... and who have NOTHING

Maireas · 11/12/2023 16:47

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:45

and people who are victims of domestic violence... and racial abuse... and who have NOTHING

Exactly. 💯

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:47

It's not about caving in. If he needs security because of a credible threat he should get it.

I wish victims of stalking, harassment and domestic violence would get the same access to protection.

If he doesn't need it, then I would prefer (as a taxpayer) that police protection is used for greater needs

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:49

I am genuinely stunned that anyone could say Harry shoud have what he wants because the 'boy' is 'hurting'

Maireas · 11/12/2023 16:53

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:49

I am genuinely stunned that anyone could say Harry shoud have what he wants because the 'boy' is 'hurting'

It's so strange, isn't it, but that's Harry's own narrative. He had the smaller bedroom, he didn't get as many sausages. He has monetised his grievances and they've become some sort of weird post royal career.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/12/2023 16:56

He's not a poster boy for the effectiveness of therapy, is he?

jeffgoldblum · 11/12/2023 16:58

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 16:49

I am genuinely stunned that anyone could say Harry shoud have what he wants because the 'boy' is 'hurting'

I'm sorry I skip read long posts , did someone really say this ?
About a middle aged privileged prince!
Really?

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 17:00

jeffgoldblum · 11/12/2023 16:58

I'm sorry I skip read long posts , did someone really say this ?
About a middle aged privileged prince!
Really?

yes, @Sheepskinthrow 's long post at 16:25

worth a read

your jaw may drop!

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