RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

They wanted half in half out . That doesn't change the statement @Sheepskinthrow made though. I suppose it was an attempt to alleviate the problem while still being part of something he's been part of his whole life. If they weren't here all the time, and weren't as visible, it might of died down and been bearable for both of them.

They retreated overseas because of the racist undertones of many of the comments , the briefings against them, the incitement of hatred by well known broadcasters with huge followings. And this seems understandable to me when you’ve watched your mother suffer sImilar abuse for many years and ultimately die under the lenses of the paparazzi. Of course he wants to protect his wife and children from that!

Yes, I know that after they left the Royal Family to carve out a progressive new role and make money they have been at great pains to establish this narrative. However, I can’t do better than repeat the words of Mr Justice Nicklin, in Friday’s judgment on this point, really:

I anticipate that, at trial, the [Mail on Sunday] may well submit that [Harry’s conduct] was a masterclass in the art of “spinning”. And, the Mail argues, it was successful in misleading and/or confusing the public….

If the Mail does establish these facts, then I consider that it has a real prospect of succeeding in demonstrating also that an honest person could have held the opinion that [Harry] was responsible for attempting to mislead and confuse the public as to the true position (and that this was ironic given that he now held a public role in tackling “misinformation”)…

My immediate impression was that the Mail was alleging that Harry was guilty of “spinning” facts to his advantage… Having now seen the sequence of events, in my judgment, the Mail does have a real prospect of demonstrating that an honest person could have held the view that this was precisely what was being done on Harry’s behalf.

No one would ever defend comments that you mention.

Well it turns out that the RF did make a statement about the Susan Hussey incident but didn’t bother to speak out about Jeremy Clarkson’s abuse! So no you’re right, no one defends those comments and BP did absolutely nothing about them at all!

My main point though in the context of this thread is how someone can read Jeremy Clarkson’s comments, listen to Piers Morgan, and see the offensive chimpanzee cartoon, and then draw the conclusion that Harry doesn’t have a good case for more protection in the uk than he is currently receiving!

I don’t think H & M tried to orchestrate a hate campaign against the RF. Again if you read the book, and listen to the podcasts, Harry is reasonably measured about his family in the circumstances. I think he was treated poorly or at least insensitively. I believe him when he says his wife was subject to prejudice too. I think they saw an American, black, divorcee through a particularly rigid and unfair set of pre-conceived ideas. And I think there was probably a complete culture clash on both sides.

Harry has shared too much but I think that was partly out of frustration when they weren’t heard, weren’t taken seriously, didn’t have open access to the people they needed to see, were misrepresented and briefed against etc, and partly, as he said, if he put it all out there warts and all, no one had anything left to dig for or badger him
about.

It wouldn’t have taken much to have treated him properly and avoided all of this bad publicity, to have indulged him a little and given him a proper status and embraced his wife, but I don’t think his father or his brother were very interested in making the effort, and I say that as someone who likes William. We can all have blind spots when it comes to family and I think it all blew up at a time when Covid muddled matters and power was transferring to Charles but the late Queen was still present and it all became a confused mess.

I think it's clear that Harry was totally blindsided when their request for half jn and half out wasn't agreed to.

I don't think he ever really expected it would come to them leaving .

I don’t pretend to understand the in and outs of this case Serenster but I’m laughing at the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail accusing someone of spinning !

@Sheepskinthrow and others who are trying to rewrite history ..

@Sheepskinthrow The RF put out multiple statements (more so than for anyone else) defending Meghan. By the same token they have not responded to any of Harry and meghans attacks on them using the mantra never explain never complain, they also opted not to make a statement about Susan hussey. Swings and roundabouts.

My main point though in the context of this thread is how someone can read Jeremy Clarkson’s comments, listen to Piers Morgan, and see the offensive chimpanzee cartoon, and then draw the conclusion that Harry doesn’t have a good case for more protection in the uk than he is currently receiving!

Because none of those things have anything to do with the need for more protection. People being horrible about you doesn't necessarily mean you need more security. Do you know / understand that the risk is assessed by experts with access to intelligence from the police and security services?

@Mylovelygreendress Of course they are trying to rewrite history. They have done so from the beginning. Unfortunately they can't seem to understand that 'truth' isn't subjective, it's fact. All the spinning Harry is currently doing is fooling no one.

they also opted not to make a statement about Susan hussey

William made a statement about Hussey I think, saying her comments were unacceptable and it was right that she stepped down.

Harry on the other hand defended her and said she didn't mean any harm 🤦‍♀️

Like yourself then too?

I think that is possibly the case. It must have been extremely hurtful for him. Especially when the York girls were doing exactly that!

I can’t scroll down easily on this particular device but I’m response to the posters disputing that they left for security reasons: I believe that their move to LA was at least partially prompted by the Canadian government’s understandable refusal to take on their security costs.

@Sheepskinthrow bless your little heart

"it all became a confused mess"

To repeat what I said below….

Well it turns out that the RF did make a statement about the Susan Hussey incident but didn’t bother to speak out about Jeremy Clarkson’s abuse! So no you’re right, no one defends those comments and BP did absolutely nothing about them at all!

The point is not whether Harry defended Hussey or not , but that his brother William WAS prepared to speak out about her comments, but WAS NOT prepared to speak out when Jeremy Clarkson insulted his sil in the most vile way possible!

@Sheepskinthrow They clearly did so much to make her feel welcome and comfortable. PC walked her down the aisle. HMQE treated her in a way that was unprecedented and offered amazing support.

They were very welcoming. She said so herself to Oprah. The complaints began when she didn’t continue to get special, different treatment to everyone else.

I believe that their move to LA was at least partially prompted by the Canadian government’s understandable refusal to take on their security costs.

Do you think they thought Trump and the US government would pay for their security then?

If that was what they were looking for, surely they should have stayed where their security was funded.

@Sheepskinthrow

The York girls weren’t- and aren’t- working members of the RF . It’s not the same.,

I think that is possibly the case. It must have been extremely hurtful for him. Especially when the York girls were doing exactly that!

As I pointed out yesterday', the 'York girls' do not officially represent the monarch, so their situation is totally different from what Harry and Meghan were demanding.

Can you tell me exactly what it is that the 'York girls' have which has been denied to the Sussexes?

As has been previously said, the York girls are not senior Royals and have never represented the monarch. Same with the other grandchildren of the Queen. They appear at some Royal events which is not the same thing. The Sussexes wanted to carry on representing the Queen but only when it suited them.

Thank you.

For obvious reasons, I always take heart when people start directing snidey comments at me rather than bothering to argue their case properly.

Sadly, I must go and get ready for work now but it’s been lovely debating with everyone!

Up the revolution! 😀

As I said before, judges can only rule on the evidence before them

And you were right

So it seems a shame that so many of H&M's court submissions have been ruled inadmissible/irrelevant, and that it became painfully clear Harry was unable to produce evidence of various stories actually coming from hacking

FWIW I fully believe that the scum media may have hacked them - after all it's been proved already with William. I only hope some of the other claimants are able to prove it, so that the worst elements might get the hiding they richly deserve

The point is not whether Harry defended Hussey or not , but that his brother William WAS prepared to speak out about her comments, but WAS NOT prepared to speak out when Jeremy Clarkson insulted his sil in the most vile way possible!

Can you see the difference - William was speaking about an employee of the RF making a racist comment to a guest of the RF at an RF event.

Clarkson (not an employee of the RF) made a comment about a private citizen not at a RF event.

And I do think it's interesting that Harry the award-winning anti-racism campaigner, defended Lady Hussey's racism on the grounds that "she didn't mean any harm". I can't imagine he'd be very impressed if anyone used that to excuse the racism directed at Meghan.

The ANL hacking trial hasn't started yet.

But surely William commented on the Hussey incident because it happened on a Royal property at a formal Royal event.

Harry then insisted she wasn’t racist and the media had whipped up the incident.

So if I get this right:

• according to their documentary the Commonwealth is a racist institution as per their documentary but her wedding veil had 8 flowers from the 8 Commonwealth countries. And in their leaving statement they wanted to continue to working within the Commonwealth.
• Harry is anti racist except when there is an actual racist incident aka Hussey but then it’s unconscious bias. So when it happens to his wife it’s racism but when it happens to another women of colour it’s not.

Also two things can’t be true can they:

• they left the Royal family and the UK because of racism and being hounded and then their security was taken away and this is a problem, hence the court case
• they left the UK because they weren’t safe and their security was taken away.

I think they know perfectly well that they would have had a modicum of security had they stayed IN the UK, Royal or not on a case by case basis. They didn’t get security in Canada or the US. So now this is about security when they return. But that means had they stayed despite this rift they would have had security?

In fact since leaving the one time their life apparently was in danger was in the US, in New York where they were being guarded by their own security.

Meanwhile Harry says that his father and brother are trapped by an institution from which he escaped. And yet he’s happy to accept titles from that same institution and keep his children (and himself) in the line of succession of this same outdated institution. And that when they issue formal statements like after the car crash their spokesperson refers to themselves as the ‘Duke and Duchess of Sussex.’

The reality of this is that Harry and Meghan despite receiving an anti racism award have never ever actually ever challenged institutional racism of any kind because it would bring into immediate question their titles, Harry’s source of wealth and why he’s a public figure in the first place. He wants the right to question everything without any actual nuanced or historical investigation into why he’s as privileged as he is. His chief complaint about the institution of the monarchy is not that it’s an outdated archaic institution but that as the ‘spare’ he was always second best.

Clarkson's comments were vile and disgusting. They were made long after Harry and Meghan had left the RF, and had their own press team. Why on earth WOULD Buck Palace issue a statement? It was nothing to do with them.