RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

I know, Iwantcakeeveryday - though I'm the first to admit to getting thoroughly confused with all the cases

In this one, though, I was referring to Harry's evidence over the summer in the MGN hearing as opposed to ANL

I think these two rather unpleasant individuals are running out of £££ what with all the court cases, private jet use, living in an expensive house with no doubt, endless staff. Harry was very foolish to reveal his killing of people in Afghanistan, it is not what the Army does.

He was also very foolish to reveal his drug use, some US family organisations are going legal to get his visa revoked because of this.

if they wanted to leave the UK they should have kept quiet

Can you tell me exactly what it is that the 'York girls' have which has been denied to the Sussexes?

Hundreds of thousands of pounds spent on their security with 24 hour protection after Uni when they took as much as 17 holidays worldwide in one year. S Africa, USA, Thailand, India and more. Yes it was removed but only after an outcry.

Sounds a bit like when the Canadian taxpayers paid for Harry's 24hr security (also hundreds of thousands of pounds).

Yes. I'm not quite sure how a privilege revoked over a decade ago, which Harry and Meghan also had until much more recently, is an example of something given to the 'York girls' but denied to Harry and Meghan. I'm struggling to see the logic here.

The York sisters lost their security in 2011 - nearly 13 years ago !
Harry enjoyed full security until his tantrum in 2020 including on holiday .,

Well, exactly - it was removed because there was no justification for it.

Y'know, like Harry's has been removed because there's no justification for it

I'm struggling to see how you don't see. Just because it happened years ago, doesn't mean it didn't happen surely

And Harry's security hasn't really been 'removed'. He chose to live abroad so obviously no reasonable person would expect British taxpayers to fund his security in California. His security needs in Britain are under continuous review and should security be deemed necessary, it will be provided.

I don't believe special arrangements like this have been made for 'the York girls' although as such matters are usually confidential, I guess it's possible. But certainly they do not enjoy any privileges denied to Harry.

Ummmm..... I think travelling to 17 different places all over the world,, is a little different than being stationery in one place.

@Roussette I am not sure if you are saying that the York girls should also have 24 hour security?

Or that it was right to remove it, and therefore right to remove Harry's on the same basis?

Of course it happened. They lost their protection.
Harry's is being evaluated on a case by case basis. That sounds fair to me.
He wants it whenever/wherever. It's for others to decide, not him.

Yes it happened, but it is not at all an example of something which the 'York girls' have which has been denied to the Sussexes, which was the question under discussion.

There is no point parkandrecs ... however, it seemed to be OK for at least 2 years, maybe 3 to pay out hundreds of thousands of £ following two non working Royals round the world. Many different continents and countries.

Please don't feel you have to reply to me. That is my view.

Had

Eh?

Harry was never denied security until he Found Freedom. The 'York girls' had their security removed nearly a decade before Harry did, and then only because Harry actively chose to find his freedom in America. They have never had any privileges denied to Harry.

You're really reaching here.

Ummmm..... I think travelling to 17 different places all over the world,, is a little different than being stationery in one place.

I mean obviously there are differences. Beatrice and Eugenie's security wasn't funded by the taxpayers of another country, for example. And in those days they and Harry were part of the group that received that perk, which has since changed.

They have never had any privileges denied to Harry.

So 24 hour security whilst travelling all over the world for 2-3 years was not a privilege, given they weren't working members of the RF?

I think it is!

Harry had it too, then.
He doesn't get it now and neither do they.

Why are you quoting me and then completely ignoring the last 3 crucial words?

I think the difference is that Hussey was a lady-in-waiting whose comments were made at an official reception at Buckingham Palace

Of course it was a privilege - a very expensive one that was deemed unnecessary. The same has happened to Harry.

Presumably if there was ever a credible threat against Beatrice or Eugenie they’d get security on a case by case basis. The same is happening with Harry.

It seems very easy to understand as far as I can see

Well yes clearly it was. But it was recognised as not appropriate for a non “working” royal (eventually) and was removed. Harry has it while he was a “working royal” but it was removed when he became “non working”. So the York girls never had a privilege that Harry didn’t have. Which was what was being questioned. Not whether the York girls should ever have had security in the first place.

Sooo...

York girls, adult, non-working royals had 24 hour security. Public outrage = justified. Security removed.

Harry, adult, working royal had 24 hour security, as non-working royal had security removed. Trying legal avenues to have that over-turned. Public outrage at attempts = NOT JUSTIFIED!

I don't get the logic?

Language matters and security and royal protection officers are not interchangeable. the York sisters security unless it’s 24 hour royal protection is not comparable as this is what Prince Harry wants when in the Uk. As a side note regarding security abroad would royal protection officers even be allowed long term for someone without IPP status?