Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

According to the Mail Online, Scobie has now flown back to La La land, and we know this because Scobie has very kindly and helpfully shared a photo of his burger and fries in a 'luxury hotel', to make sure that we all know he is now in West Hollywood. This is, presumably, a piece of not-so-subtle public messaging. But what's his motive?

Add it to the white board, Benson.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12822227/Harry-Meghans-biographer-Omid-Scobie-brushes-drama-flies-LA-tucks-burgers-luxury-hotel-amid-claims-Endgame-authors-British-publisher-DID-send-draft-manuscript-naming-two-royal-racists-Dutch-translator.html

So if the publisher DID send the wrong draft to the translators then there were at least two. Who sent the drafts to the publishers and why wasn't this picked up - didn't anyone say hey, we've got two drafts, which is the right one?

I'm sticking to 'draft was sent to Dutch publisher to get the royal racists accusation out there because pulping the Dutch run will be cheap.'

King Charles has long made private visits to a particular country in the Middle East and whilst here he’s fasted during Ramadan before breaking his fast at night in the Mosque with everyone else. There isn’t any pomp or ceremony and he drinks his Laban out of the plastic container it comes in just as everyone else does. He’s done tremendous inter faith work over the years in order to foster some understanding between people and for that alone he has my respect. He’s not a racist.

Do we know how much the book, and OW interview made?

I can't comment about the book, @EnoughIsay, but on the subject of how much money H&M are making it was definitely claimed that they received nothing for the Oprah interview
Whether anyone believes this is of course another matter ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-meghan-oprah-paid/fact-check-meghan-duchess-of-sussex-says-she-was-not-paid-for-the-oprah-interview-idUSL1N2LE1QX/

I think a lot of people are coming to the same conclusion @MrsDanversGlidesAgain . It could well be that the accidental leaking of names, at small financial cost, has given MM the perfect opportunity to tell her side of the story, without being heavily criticised for revealing the names in breach of confidence (both her husband's and her father in law's). She will write her book, and it will be successful.

However, that Telegraph article posted above makes me think a lot of journalists are sitting on a lot of information and biding their time. I think if there are further attacks on Catherine and William, the gloves might come off. The Doria/Middletons comment in interesting.

@AutumnCrow dining in a luxury hotel, you say? And various people saying OS was spotted around hotels when he was writing Endgame. And Harry was mysteriously reported to be spending time in a hotel too. As was MM. <scribbling on board> <Wondering if, when the police turn up the crime scene, there will be a locked room in the basement, with wall to wall pictures of Catherine>

However, that Telegraph article posted above makes me think a lot of journalists are sitting on a lot of information and biding their time. I think if there are further attacks on Catherine and William, the gloves might come off. The Doria/Middletons comment in interesting.

If these leaks and attacks keep coming, i suspect the bullying report might "accidently" get left on a train somewhere...

I LOVE the idea of a white board !!
My youngest DGC have one here for drawing so I might just nab it !

As an aside , isn’t this a pleasant thread ? No sniping at other posters , just a good discussion.

I agree and have said similar before @thebellagio . The fact that M didn’t demand it was released makes me suspect she didn’t like the findings.

The Duke argued that Sir Edward should not have been involved in the decision due to “significant tensions” between them.
Shaheed Fatima KC said the Duke should have been given a “clear and full explanation” of Ravec’s composition and it was “procedurally unfair” that he had been “deprived of the opportunity” to make representations to the committee on whether it was appropriate for certain individuals to be involved

This quote from the DT article - it's all about centring Harry and his wants again, isn't it? just like the flight to Balmoral. A little foot stampy 'They have to consider me and my feelings and listen to what I want ALL THE TIME. I don't like him, get him out of my sight!' Use of the word 'should have been given.' Well, why should they?

I'd assume Sir Edward was there as RF liaison and expert on RF's security needs; about which he probably knows a damned sight more than H. What a tiresome person H is.

The first question that I think should be asked of Harry is would you have objected to the make up of the panel if you had gotten the answer you wanted?

I got the sense from reading Spare that he hates the guts of the courtiers because they tell him no. The nasty nicknames etc for people who were just doing their jobs and clearly were acting on instructions from the Queen, Charles and William.

Harry always makes it seem like people have unreasonable personal vendettas against him rather than trying to keep the monarchy viable for future generations. Security costs are already astronomical, can you imagine if Harry was able to fly over at a moments notice and have the kind of security he wants, even if he paid for it himself, it would mean having extra capacity always available.

I got the sense from reading Spare that he hates the guts of the courtiers because they tell him no. The nasty nicknames etc

Nasty nicknames seems to be a bit of a pattern here.

It's as if he's paranoid, @miri1985 .
They're all out to get him (and his wife).
They're all at war and briefing against each other.
Risible.

I'd assume Sir Edward was there as RF liaison and expert on RF's security needs

That would make perfect sense, MrsD, but it seems he's joined the throng of people Harry feels are "out to get him" so it's pettishly suggested he shouldn't have been there at all

The link comes from another thread - click the translate button to get it in English- but how very convenient that another supposed threat to Harry should be reported just as the new hearing beginss:

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/erkenntnisse-des-bka-focus-online-exklusiv-islamisten-planen-anschlag-auf-prinz-harry_id_257085859.html

The nicknames - it's just all very childish and pathetic, isn't it?

That would make perfect sense, MrsD, but it seems he's joined the throng of people Harry feels are "out to get him" so it's pettishly suggested he shouldn't have been there at all

I think it would be easier to have a list of people who aren't out to get Harry. It must be a pretty short one.

I'm sticking to 'draft was sent to Dutch publisher to get the royal racists accusation out there because pulping the Dutch run will be cheap.'

So who do you think sent it?

There will be multiple drafts kicking around people's inboxes and it's very easy to see how the wrong one was sent. There will have been OS' first version, then there will have been his editor's edit, a copy edit, line edit, proof read and finally the lawyer's edit. The unanswered questions are:
Did the UK publisher forget to send the updated lawyered version to the Dutch publisher?
Did the UK publisher accidentally re-send the early draft thinking it was the updated lawyered version?
Did the Dutch publisher ignore the updated lawyered version to drum up publicity?
Did the Dutch publisher accidentally send the early draft to the translator thinking it was the updated lawyered version?*
Did the translator accidentally open the wrong file?**

All in all, it's an almighty cock-up that's going to cost a few people dearly.

*This feels like it's already been discounted by today's breaking story.
**I don't think it was this one!

Thanks Crow

Very Trump too

If you're saying it's deliberate, the lawyers who checked the m/s would surely find it impossible to defend any claim against OS and his publishers? If they said remove the names, but someone else in the chain decided to keep them in, the lawyers would surely be, you're on your own with this one!

It’s also what Edward & Wallis did - the only people who ever gave me a cruel nickname were bullies and deeply unpleasant people.

But but but…. They are famous anti bullying campaigners!! 😆

I don't believe the UK publisher (Harper Collins) had any rights over the foreign language publication, so they wouldn't have been sending the manuscript to anyone outside of the English speaking world. Scobie's deal (as per his tweet of 1/8/22) was a world English language rights deal with Harper Collins UK & Commonwealth and Harper Collins US. The foreign language rights stayed with Scobie, to be negotiated under individual licences with local publishers in Netherlands, Italy, France etc. He's pretty much said this is what happened in his interviews when he has talked about licenses. The problem lies in Scobie's camp - he, through his agent, would be the instigator of the licences and the party that would forward the the relevant manuscript to the local publishing house.

I don’t think there will be legal repercussions but I cannot see how there can ever be a truce, the most Charles can achieve is a limited conversations/correspondence regarding grandchildren. I don’t think Charles would ask William again to put on a united front with Harry. He must now know that would be cruel and degrading for William. It also means Harry and Meghan have even less to lose in criticism of William and Kate other than a backlash. There seems no thought on their children and were all of this leaves them. I don’t understand why the didn’t allow them to decide their titles at 18 especially as they will be American citizens who barely set foot in the country of their titles, who will probably need to carve out a non royal career.