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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 2023-12-01T10:32:37+00:00

La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread: [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2]]

AutumnCrow · 04/12/2023 10:44

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 04/12/2023 10:34

I don't believe the UK publisher (Harper Collins) had any rights over the foreign language publication, so they wouldn't have been sending the manuscript to anyone outside of the English speaking world. Scobie's deal (as per his tweet of 1/8/22) was a world English language rights deal with Harper Collins UK & Commonwealth and Harper Collins US. The foreign language rights stayed with Scobie, to be negotiated under individual licences with local publishers in Netherlands, Italy, France etc. He's pretty much said this is what happened in his interviews when he has talked about licenses. The problem lies in Scobie's camp - he, through his agent, would be the instigator of the licences and the party that would forward the the relevant manuscript to the local publishing house.

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So, Harper Collins are out of the frame, as are the translators.

This leaves Scobie himself and/or the Dutch publishing house as being responsible for supplying the improper version. Have the Dutch publishers made a statement yet, after checking the digital trail?

Only Scobie could have been responsible for 'producing' this improper version in the first place, with or without heavy reliance on source material from another party.

AliceOlive · 04/12/2023 11:37

miri1985 · 04/12/2023 10:18

Very Trump too

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Harry did that in Spare, also. I really despise nicknaming people.

Maerchentante · 04/12/2023 11:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2023 10:04

I'd assume Sir Edward was there as RF liaison and expert on RF's security needs

That would make perfect sense, MrsD, but it seems he's joined the throng of people Harry feels are "out to get him" so it's pettishly suggested he shouldn't have been there at all

The link comes from another thread - click the translate button to get it in English- but how very convenient that another supposed threat to Harry should be reported just as the new hearing beginss:

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/erkenntnisse-des-bka-focus-online-exklusiv-islamisten-planen-anschlag-auf-prinz-harry_id_257085859.html

Just read that and also some of the comments. Those mentioning Harry are very much not in his favour.

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 04/12/2023 11:54

I'd assumed they wouldn't know anything (at the time they parted ways from Spotify) about QC's planned wardrobe for the State Visit to France (end of the summer). But Dior probably did by then

This was the visit that had been intended to take place in March, that was postponed at short notice. Camilla's wardrobe for that must have been ready to go, and it was probably known, or rumoured, who supplied it. Fairly safe to assume she would then wear the clothes for the rearranged visit in September, or at least use the same source.

AliceOlive · 04/12/2023 11:59

Serenster · 04/12/2023 08:48

I certainly think so, AliceOlive, and that M and H pass him information and statements to be put out on twitter, in articles and now via Endgame. They may well use Archewell employees as intermediaries though, as they did when at the Palace. The “source very close to” wording is just inserted to give both of them plausible deniability.

But of course, because of that wording, others will give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his demonstrable loose relationship with the truth however, I do wonder why he gets that benefit.

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It’s interesting that they’ve used him to get their message out so many times, and now they have gone quiet. That’s never been their modus operandi and as much as it might seem calculated, I don’t believed they are capable of this kind of silence.

I wonder if they are now without a good, fast way to make their views public. They could previously just send a text and Scobie would tweet what they wanted known. Their travel plans when the Queen died, the NYC “car chase” are just two examples of times he was obviously doing this. They have worked with journalists from other forms of media, but a newspaper article or a tv interview is not so quick to arrange and not the same impact nor deniability as a Tweet from someone that is known for having “inside” info about them. Who else shares their news and has the kind of visibility to the Royals and to the Sussex Squad.

So perhaps they are either laying low with respect to feeding Scobie info, or they are now unhappy with him and in need of a new mouthpiece.

AliceOlive · 04/12/2023 12:03

It dawns on me that this is a really fucked up way to get and use power. Threatening someone who has actual power. It’s a very strange set of circumstances that brought this all about.

Viviennemary · 04/12/2023 12:22

Some questions need to be answered. Was the inclusion of the names deliberate or a genuine error. Why were the names mentioned in any draft if they weren't to be included in any published version. Are the people accused even the right ones. Who leaked the names in the first place. Were they in a letter. What a horrible mess.

Scaredycatofrodents · 04/12/2023 12:43

Good questions @Viviennemary

Bookworm1111 · 04/12/2023 12:58

Viviennemary · 04/12/2023 12:22

Some questions need to be answered. Was the inclusion of the names deliberate or a genuine error. Why were the names mentioned in any draft if they weren't to be included in any published version. Are the people accused even the right ones. Who leaked the names in the first place. Were they in a letter. What a horrible mess.

I imagine OS put the names in the first draft in the hope the lawyers would agree he had sufficient proof to run with them. They must've decided it was too high risk and that's why they were deleted. Who knows if they are even the right names but it's pretty obvious where they've come from.

miri1985 · 04/12/2023 13:02

Vespanest · 04/12/2023 10:37

I don’t think there will be legal repercussions but I cannot see how there can ever be a truce, the most Charles can achieve is a limited conversations/correspondence regarding grandchildren. I don’t think Charles would ask William again to put on a united front with Harry. He must now know that would be cruel and degrading for William. It also means Harry and Meghan have even less to lose in criticism of William and Kate other than a backlash. There seems no thought on their children and were all of this leaves them. I don’t understand why the didn’t allow them to decide their titles at 18 especially as they will be American citizens who barely set foot in the country of their titles, who will probably need to carve out a non royal career.

Similarly I don't see the Royals suing.

I think the thing William values above all else is loyalty. There have been stories (who knows if true) that he used to test friends by telling them made up gossip to see if it leaks to the tabloids so he knew who to trust. There were also rumours that part of the reason he broke up with Kate for a bit when they were dating was so see if she spilled any of his secrets, again who knows if its true but as he lived through the war of the Waleses I can see why he would want the reassurance of loyalty.

I don't know how you could have a conversation with H&M without worrying that they'd blab whatever you said. I think thats maybe also why they haven't done better in Hollywood, if you were an A list star, would you take them into your confidence?

AliceOlive · 04/12/2023 13:15

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 04/12/2023 13:19

I don't know how you could have a conversation with H&M without worrying that they'd blab whatever you said. I think thats maybe also why they haven't done better in Hollywood, if you were an A list star, would you take them into your confidence?

I've been thinking this for a long time. The likes of the Clooneys and the Obamas are going to be very wary of people who not only blab secrets but hold grudges.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 04/12/2023 13:21

What if OS included the names but H&M asked for them to be removed?

thebellagio · 04/12/2023 13:25

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 04/12/2023 13:19

I don't know how you could have a conversation with H&M without worrying that they'd blab whatever you said. I think thats maybe also why they haven't done better in Hollywood, if you were an A list star, would you take them into your confidence?

I've been thinking this for a long time. The likes of the Clooneys and the Obamas are going to be very wary of people who not only blab secrets but hold grudges.

The clooneys and the obamas seem to have ditched them as soon as Oprah came out,

Vespanest · 04/12/2023 13:25

With team Sussex and the racism there is always that awkward own goal, the reason why Harry followed the unconscious bias route. He has the history of racism. It bizarre how those on Twitter who are so willing to believe that Kate is a racist but block or ignore the elephant in the room that is the person who began this is himself known for his foot and mouth racist faux pars.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 04/12/2023 13:25

not only blab secrets but hold grudges.

Agree, irl I am very guarded with anyone that shares gossip or has bad things to say about people, because if they are sharing that with you, what are they sharing and saying about you when with others

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 04/12/2023 13:30

I work on that basis, as well. I had a manager who would regularly talk about how useless my predecessor was, while I was sitting there wondering what she was saying about me.

cheezncrackers · 04/12/2023 13:49

I wonder if Harry didn't warn her that the job involved a lot of ribbon cutting or whether he did and she ignored him.

Well, let's face it, the information was out there, if she'd cared to look. A quick glance at the British newspapers during the brief months of their courtship would've shown her what the senior royals spend most of their time doing, whether at home or on foreign trips.

I thought it was quite telling when Meghan said in the Netflix doc that she thought being a member of the RF would be like 'The Princess Diaries'. Now, I've never seen the film, but I'm guessing that it's a Hollywood fantasy about what it would be like if an ordinary American girl suddenly found herself a member of a European royal family - complete with castles, gowns, jewels and being able to demand absolutely anything you want at any time of night or day and getting it. Remember when it was reported that Meghan had been told off by the Queen and also by Kate for speaking harshly to members of staff in the royal household? I note she's never denied that that happened in all her many complaints about her time as a royal. And then there were the reports of her bullying staff, a formal investigation of which was undertaken and quickly buried, presumably because it confirmed that the bullying had taken place and the RF decided it would be better not to further fan the flames in Montecito. After all, if she'd been exonerated, surely it would've come out?

cheezncrackers · 04/12/2023 13:59

MaturingCheeseball · 04/12/2023 08:08

Interesting thing I read elsewhere, that the letter referred to “Princess of Wales” (I know this has been already discussed).

But the point is that IF it did mean Camilla, then KC will not want to throw her under the bus, and may be arguing with William behind the scenes as William will want Catherine’s name cleared.

But Camilla was NEVER known as the Princess of Wales, always as the Duchess of Cornwall. I don't see any confusion here - it's clearly referring to Kate.

thebellagio · 04/12/2023 14:00

Well, let's face it, the information was out there, if she'd cared to look. A quick glance at the British newspapers during the brief months of their courtship would've shown her what the senior royals spend most of their time doing, whether at home or on foreign trips.

The thing I've always found strange was that I always saw MM as a type A personality; someone who always comes well prepared, done her research, knew what to do/where to go etc but for some reason when it came to the Royal Family she seemed to do absolutely NOTHING to help herself. She didn't take it upon herself to learn the national anthem, or research what jobs the royals do, she didn't seem to understand the hierarchy of a monarchy, or any of the basic stuff that any normal person would quickly Google.

Some of this can be down to cultural differences, others perhaps due to Harry not helping her, but there's so much that I just cant understand why she didn't even TRY to help herself. Has anyone ever explained why she turned down Sophie's offer of help? For someone who claims that the Royals were stand offish, she didn't seem to embrace any help/support that was there for her.

MrsFinkelstein · 04/12/2023 14:05

miri1985 · 04/12/2023 10:00

The first question that I think should be asked of Harry is would you have objected to the make up of the panel if you had gotten the answer you wanted?

I got the sense from reading Spare that he hates the guts of the courtiers because they tell him no. The nasty nicknames etc for people who were just doing their jobs and clearly were acting on instructions from the Queen, Charles and William.

Harry always makes it seem like people have unreasonable personal vendettas against him rather than trying to keep the monarchy viable for future generations. Security costs are already astronomical, can you imagine if Harry was able to fly over at a moments notice and have the kind of security he wants, even if he paid for it himself, it would mean having extra capacity always available.

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It's not just that - it's that he wants his security paid for wherever he is. That would mean it would be the US Secret Service who provide it in California. The costs to the US taxpayer would be extortionate.

He has never seemed to fully understand that he is not always the most important person in the room. Diana truly loved her sons but I'm not sure she did either of them any favours by insisting they be treated exactly the same. I'm sure there were threats made towards his family - but that's not to say the threat level is always the same. Its quite right it should be continually assessed and reviewed.

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smilesy · 04/12/2023 14:13

This made me smile 😆 (edited for typo)

cheezncrackers · 04/12/2023 14:29

AliceOlive · 04/12/2023 11:37

Harry did that in Spare, also. I really despise nicknaming people.

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I'd heard that it was his ghostwriter's idea to call the private secretaries 'the bee', 'the wasp' and 'the fly'. It's very American to give people nicknames, hence why Trump does it and seemingly Meghan too, since 'Katie Keen' has MM's stamp all over it - both bitchy and demeaning at the same time.

parksandrecs · 04/12/2023 14:31

Well, then either Spare was a work of fiction presented by Harry as 'his' story, or Harry gave demeaning nicknames. Neither are particularly pleasant.