Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

I wonder how Archie will feel about all this when he's older? After all, he's the subject of all this gossip.

A racism allegation is so insidious because there is no way to prove it wrong.

I was reading a thread about this on reddit and of course someone dug up a video of Kate being taken by the hand and led by a black woman on one of their Royal visits and she seemed a bit taken aback because it seemed out of the blue and of course thats just further evidence that shes racist.

You could show people thousands of photos and videos of her (and Charles) shaking hands with hugging etc people of colour but because they've been tarred with the racist brush it will just be seen as them doing it to save face, there is no way they can disprove the allegation.

I'm kind of fascinated what Archie will be like as an adult. I keep picturing him as Callum Best, someone only famous because of his familys connection to the UK but a fish out of water all the same over here.

I can't imagine William and family ever trusting him given who his parents are so I wonder will he get invited to things like Williams coronation

I am not sure they can or should do anything.

It’s all very “Did you finally stop beating your wife?”

I was listening to a very interesting podcast earlier this week about the art of saying, essentially, “No Comment” without it being taken the wrong way - they said it’s the kind of thing PR advisers can and do agonise for hours over!

I’d love to know how much time was spent deciding on the only official comment on Endgame so far from the Palace: "it’s just another book on the Windsors that is not worthy of official comment".

I find it amusing that another character in the Katie Keene cartoon was called Archie, as previous posters have pointed out.

Re the delay in getting to the Queen's deathbed: my theory is there were raging arguments behind the scenes about whether M should go, and that Kate was prevailed upon to stay behind to justify Meghan's exclusion.

I was watching the rolling news that day and it became increasingly obvious as time wore on that HMQ had died and the broadcasters were getting increasingly desperate to fill the airtime. Something had gone amiss as this was planned to the enth degree for decades.

I think we all know what that was now.

I think that there were probably arguments/discussions about whether or not Meghan should go but I doubt that it was ever on the cards that Kate should.

William probably went as "heir" as much as Grandson.

No other GC went.

I don't know @diddl - maybe you're right.

Just speculation on my part.

You could as easily be right!

Hadn't George & Charlotte just gone back to school?

Even if she could have gone she might have not because of them?

That's how I see it too. Kate's kids had started at a new school only a day or two before, so she was needed at home. I don't think there was ever any question of her going. Nor was there any question of Meghan going, whatever Harry might have supposed. I agree that William was there more primarily because of his official role.

But the letter was allegedly written after the Oprah interview, so several months after 'Finding Freedom'

You're quite right, IcedPurple; I confess I'd neglected that bit

Still waiting for details/proof of what was actually said/written though - with the people involved I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them

I can understand Harry wanting Meghan there if he felt that he would be uncomfortable or "got at" by being alone.

That said if he thought he would be "got at" at such a time that really would show what a low opinion he has of his rellies!

I read that Charles can’t release Meghan’s letter because she previously “won” (well $1) her copyright claim about the publishing of the letter to her father. So the sender owns the contents .

I guess ignore, ignore, ignore is the only way to go, but it must be hard. Also, as was the case in my family, a parent will never write off an errant child, no matter how awful. The prodigal son is a timeless, if very unfair, story.

I don't think Kate was ever going to Balmoral. All three children had just started a new school. They needed a parent with them and some normality.

I don’t think there was any question of Kate going. Not only had the children just started a new school, but they would be hearing talk of the Queen dying, their grandfather becoming King and both William and George going one step closer.
There was bound to be questions from the children and I think the royals have learned against leaving nannies and teachers to deal with situations like that.

William and Harry were the grandchildren invited/expected to be there simply because of the change in their own titles and positioning when their fathers changed. Rather than simply making their way up over the day or so like the other grandchildren. It’s silly to pretend that it’s because of favouritism. We’ve all seen very clearly the closeness of the Queen and Philip to the Wessex/Edinburgh children - if I had to lay a bet on favourites or closeness that’s where I’d lay my hat.

That video was spliced and diced on here. (The video was spliced and diced, too, to make Kate look as bad as possible.) It was a particularly unfair thread.

Someone then posted a video of Kate’s warmly hugging and greeting her doola when she ran into her unexpectedly. We had a discussion about such a highly personal relationship a woman has with the person they ask to help with their pregnancy and assist while they give birth. No racist would choose a woman of color for that role.

He would never do that, anyway. That’s a really awful thing to do.

The reason why I just can’t see this being a current collaboration with Scobie is that it makes no financial sense. Part of the book and interviews was a business deal, but it came at a price and is limited. The monarchy could end tomorrow and the set up due to hierarchy would still leave Charles and William extremely wealthy. Long term for Harry and especially his children would be reconciliation as he must be burning through his money. His two childrens security and education will probably be equivalent to the proceeds of spare. How far can Charles be pushed before he think fuck em.

You are assuming a logical, rational mindset.

The past 4 years have shown us that that doesn't apply here.

If Harry and/or Meghan were not the source here, who do you think was? Given that many people are drawing the logical conclusion that they were involved with this book, surely they would come out and make a statement to the contrary if that were not the case?

I’m sorry, no. Maybe by today’s obscene standards but not back then. She looks incredible.

I was going to say the same. A bit of a belly but so what? She still looked fit, beautiful and healthy.

I wish I looked like that in my 'unflattering' photos!

I understand from the history of accession that William should have been there as close as possible to the moment when his father became King (the moment of HMQueen's passing) so he can acknowledge this as the next in line, it is a condolence and a congratulations moment blended together, and an acceptance of his new position at that moment. It must be a sad, no matter how much one might prepare. I'm afraid this does apply to Harry.

I don't think it's about Charles. If he lives as long as his mother he has about 20 years left. After that, William will cut him off. I'm not sure how inheritance will work after that. The Monarch passes everything on tax free to other Monarchs and then they choose to support siblings. I doubt William will give anything to Harry, Archie or Lilli. I think Harry expected a reconciliation but that hadn't happened. I do think part of that is because it's being whipped up out of all proportion by the press, and no one is bothering to do anything about that. Harry wrote a book about how wronged he felt in the RF, but so did Charles.

Doesn't apply to Harry! I don't know how to edit!

@Angrycat2768 - whipped up out of all proportion by the press? How so?
Also, Charles did not write a book. No book that he authorised, or gave interviews for, compares in any way with "Spare".