Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

Where was Harry's support for his father who had just lost his mother and was about to take on a huge constitutional role in his 70s?

But Harry is all me, me me, me, me and seems to take it for granted, even as a husband and father in his late 30s, that his own father and brother will prioritise Harry's feelings and wants above everything else.

@diddl

"I thought that it was the weather that held them up?"

If that's with regard to the flight on the day the late Queen died then as I recall it (so open to correction) whilst the weather wasn't great it wasn't bad enough to be a factor in the timing of the Northolt-Aberdeen flight.

What the weather did do was force the onwards journey from Aberdeen to Balmoral to done by road rather than helicopter.

HTH.

Oh yes she is.

I thought Harry was the reason the plane was late in leaving London, wasting vital time for the RF getting to Balmoral.

What the weather did do was force the onwards journey from Aberdeen to Balmoral to done by road rather than helicopter.

Ah yes-thank you!

The Katie Keen thing is so mean girl.

Whilst I can see that Meghan may have had been a source (probably indirectly or without her knowledge) it does feel that this was in the past tense. The rehashing, the grievances generally line up between the Oprah and Spare. His only new contribution is the names, which he was probably aware of before Spare. There is a reason the royals have small trusted circles, and for Harry that is probably non existent now in terms of having a confidant except Meghan. The sympathy I have is the five children who are the new Harry and William having the tabloids full of trash and the internet full of hatred for their parents. As Harry knows this is hard to escape.

Diana regularly briefed the press for photo opportunities. She was especially close to Richard Kay.

Her diving off boats that Summer was all for the press and to scupper the 50th birthday of Camilla. I don’t actually blame her, but this is honestly all old news.

I’ve heard she did but to have PM confirm that it was very direct and not through an intermediary is a surprise.

Whilst I can see that Meghan may have had been a source (probably indirectly or without her knowledge) it does feel that this was in the past tense.

How so? It's obvious that much of this book can only have come from Meghan or Harry, but mostly her. It's not like Scobie has any other royal sources. And how can you be a source 'without your knowledge?

The sympathy I have is the five children who are the new Harry and William having the tabloids full of trash and the internet full of hatred for their parents. As Harry knows this is hard to escape.

So why did Harry talk about his niece and nephews in an interview? They are not his business.

What the weather did do was force the onwards journey from Aberdeen to Balmoral to done by road rather than helicopter.

William drove, so it was just family in the car. They were able to speak, and make and take phone calls, freely and privately. I wonder if they'd have wanted Harry in the car with them, if he'd been there.

The way The Crown portrayed it was Mohammed secretly briefing the press and then Diana does her prancing about in front of the cameras to give them what they want so they will go away and leave her and the princes alone to enjoy their holiday. This, if true, gives the lie to that, even if only some people will have believed it.

The crown is essentially fiction with a smattering of facts, but it does show Diana deliberately playing to the press to get front pages.

The Dutch guild of Translators states that they stand behind the translator. They say that translators don't add or subtract things, that would make them writers instead of translators.

www.rtlnieuws.nl/entertainment/royalty/artikel/5422053/vakbond-staat-achter-nederlandse-vertaler-boek-endgame

Royal fans on X think that Meghan (or one of her staff authorised to post) has an account or two even though the couple say that they ignore social media. It would be easy to ask a sympathetic account like Celebitchy to use certain words and phrases. I think the hashtag kkkhate was in regards to the bridesmaid dress story.

I think that we will never have proof that it’s a stunt and there’s simply a list of people who know that they didn’t do anything wrong.
I am pleased that somebody is standing up for the poor translators - Omid owes them many public apologies for assigning blame when they translated what was sent to them.
I think that the Royal family have a difficult task now. If it’s not the people named then how do they take action without exposing the real person(s) and making the story drag on even more? Plus they won’t want to be in a court room and risk having to make comments on public record about other allegations in the book.

Richard Kay says that she regularly contacted him and gave information to the tabloids. It doesn't excuse their treatment of her at all, but it's interesting how she tried to use them for her own benefit.

How can they take action anyhow when the two principal " complainants" can't keep their story straight?

And yet, Harry in particular has deified her as nothing more than a victim of the press, and vilified his other family for briefing the press. Diana did what everyone with a public profile does wrt the press - she got as much positive spin out about herself as possible. That Harry can't see that he's exactly the same as all of them is an illustration of his utter self-delusion.

It's obvious that much of this book can only have come from Meghan or Harry, but mostly her. It's not like Scobie has any other royal sources

There's still the question of "when" though, IcedPurple, and whether Scobie's held over some claims from when they (provably) colluded last time or if they're still doing it

If he's known the names since the Finding Freedom days and they're not still feeding him, he may even have included them out of spite, expecting that the revelation would isolate them even further

But the letter was allegedly written after the Oprah interview, so several months after 'Finding Freedom'. And the book also contains references to events in the past year or so, including Harry's trip to Balmoral. High-ranking 'palace aides' wouldn't go near Scobie, so his source has to be Harry or Meghan.

As mentioned by mymilkshakebringsallthepapastotheyard, the fact that Endgame and before that, the Telegraph, have raised the previously unknown letters over the last year suggests that there is an attempt to give more “legs” to the racism allegations. And both the authors who have raised them are clearly pro-Sussex.

It’s interesting - if someone knew enough of the letters to know who they mentioned, they’d also presumably know what was alleged to have been said by these people. But that information is not being shared. Why? It’s an interesting question. Why might the Sussexes want the names out there but not what they actually are alleged to have said?

But the letter was allegedly written after the Oprah interview, so several months after 'Finding Freedom'.

Yes. We are told the letters discuss the racism allegations made by Meghan and Harry.So they can realistically only have been written after the Oprah interview, which was screened in March 2021. Finding Freedom came out in August 2020.

The letters were presumably therefore written after March 2021 and before April 2023 (when they were mentioned in Victoria Ward’s Telegraph article).

Because, the vagueness is their weapon.
If the comments were so damning, why hasn't some "source" revealed their precise nature?

I am not sure they can or should do anything.

It’s all very “Did you finally stop beating your wife?”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

Saying it wasn’t them is saying it was someone else. Saying it happened but not the way described is saying it happened.

Saying it didn’t happen is calling Meghan an unhinged and a liar and like saying racism is all a figment in the minds of people experiencing it.

Not to sound like a broken record, but what is really wild is this is all coming from someone who said they never experienced racism prior. A mixed race woman raised in America. She has to be the one of the few non-white American women to have been so fortunate.

By the way, Scobie also said, in the James O’Brien interview, that he didn’t have any experiences of being treated as other until his job at Heat. Again, I think he could have written a great book on that topic; his own experiences.