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Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 01/12/2023 10:32

La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2 | Mumsnet

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to {mention:BoxedandRibboned} for the original thread....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

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MrsFinkelstein · 03/12/2023 09:24

AliceOlive · 02/12/2023 21:20

That’s got to be a shot over the bow. Not invited and revealing Archie’s godparents. In the Times, no less.

https://archive.ph/plzr8

This part from that Times article is particularly damning. Especially the 2nd paragraph - pretty obvious who they think leaked the letters to OS.

Ouch!

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SidekickSylvia · 03/12/2023 09:28

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/12/2023 09:13

My opinion? that there are more than enough pointers, intended or not, about where Scooby got this information.

The 'Katy Keene' nickname has absolutely confirmed who the source is, in my mind. Such an obscure character, from Meghan's (admittedly) favourite childhood comic? There's no way that came from Palace aids.

MrsFinkelstein · 03/12/2023 09:35

FinallyFinalGirl · 03/12/2023 08:38

I must be the only one to have heard of Kate being called 'keen'. The Squaddies use the name to mock her for saying she is keen to know or do something, but not going any further with it. One quick Twitter search will show that it has been used for quite a while.

I'll completely take your word for it, but I've never seen them use it. Ive seen them use "Waitey Katie", and the 3K hate one plenty, but never the Keen one.

But again, it's clearly a very US thing. M has been shown to be in contact with 1 or 2 of the more active Squad in the past.

WinnieTheW0rm · 03/12/2023 09:37

They said (H&M) that she wanted to go into residential care but the Palace were against it

Very unlikely to be true, as the Duchess of Kent was treated an an in-patient for severe depression.

Edited to add: and as a working royal duchess (married to one of the "spares" of that generation) she was in a similar place in the hierarchy to the Duchess of Sussex

PopNotPolitics · 03/12/2023 09:41

The "Katie Keene" thing is odd, but surely just a coincidence? Meghan is nowhere near stupid enough to be that blatant.

WinnieTheW0rm · 03/12/2023 09:41

MrsFinkelstein · 03/12/2023 09:35

I'll completely take your word for it, but I've never seen them use it. Ive seen them use "Waitey Katie", and the 3K hate one plenty, but never the Keen one.

But again, it's clearly a very US thing. M has been shown to be in contact with 1 or 2 of the more active Squad in the past.

Yes, I think that's a misattribution of a US term to the UK. One assumes from ignorance rather than deliberate shit-stirring.

MrsFinkelstein · 03/12/2023 09:42

Mylovelygreendress · 03/12/2023 09:17

It seems there was more than one “ mistranslation “

And again, this narrative completely ignores the facts that we all saw the reports of the private plane sitting on the runway for 69 minutes - waiting for "someone" to arrive. William, Andrew, Edward & Sophie all already on board. Who else would they have sat and waited 69 minutes for other than Harry???

Maireas · 03/12/2023 09:45

Also, @WinnieTheW0rm - Meghan was pregnant. It would have been very easy and entirely understandable if she were to be admitted to a hospital of some sort for a rest and recuperation. However, it need not even have got that far - on seeing the distress of his pregnant, suicidal wife, Harry could easily have contacted her consultant at the Portland for support, which would have been forthcoming.
It's a costly maternity package for a reason.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 09:52

Serenster · 03/12/2023 08:40

Further to my comment above, I see there was an article last April which reports that Meghan’s letter was sent in response to correspondence from Charles, in which he expressed his sadness over the split within the family.

Yes - the existence of the letters was first revealed in an article Victoria Ward in the Telegraph earlier this year. It was generally taken to have come from he Sussexes as they have often given Victoria stories.

It caused a bit of a furore at the time, and we were told that lawyers on both sides were involved, but the story remained up. So it seems whoever gave Victoria the information had authority to reveal the existence of the letters (if someone, say a staff member, had seen and leaked the contents of private correspondence without permission, I have no doubt the story would have been taken down).

Victoria Ward’s article was also changed quite a lot in the 24 hours or so after it was first published. A sentence in the first version that described the alleged racism incident as something Meghan agreed was an “innocuous comment” and “made without malice” was removed.And a new sentence was added saying how appallingly Meghan and Harry were treated by the Royal family. So it was quite clear who was holding the pen behind the scenes.

Very interesting that the Telegraph changed the slant of that article in a single line. It's Harry with the connections to the Telegraph.

As I posited upthread, it would not surprise me if he was blindsided by the discussion in Oprah and subsequent racism row, and was attempting to row it back in his Bradby interview - specifically trying to row it back for UK audiences.

If the article originally downplayed the matter, this again sounds to me like Harry trying to calm the waters pre Coronation; the changed line, ramping up the ill treatment angle, seems intended to keep M's original Oprah claims live (I wonder if Harry was told off post the original publication).

I wonder if the existence of the letters was leaked in April as the "cold open" to the Scobie book - ie to allow him to claim the matter is in the public domain anyway and deflect from his original sources (his information gathering would have predated that Telegraph article by a long time, given the original publication date for Endgame). He's using a similar argument about information already being in the public domain to deflect from the Dutch debacle - public domain here being "Fleet Street" knowing the names of the Royals Meghan had named in the letters. I'm now wondering if he's just talking about the Telegraph journalist.

I believe H&M were at the Katy Perry concert with an American billionaire who is interested in buying the Telegraph. It definitely feels like this is their mouthpiece of choice (well, the high brow one, anyway).

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/12/2023 09:54

"On seeing the distress of his pregnant, suicidal wife, Harry could easily have contacted her consultant at the Portland for support, which would have been forthcoming*
It's a costly maternity package for a reason

Especially as the Portland has the vastly regarded Lucinda Green

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 09:59

Maireas · 03/12/2023 09:45

Also, @WinnieTheW0rm - Meghan was pregnant. It would have been very easy and entirely understandable if she were to be admitted to a hospital of some sort for a rest and recuperation. However, it need not even have got that far - on seeing the distress of his pregnant, suicidal wife, Harry could easily have contacted her consultant at the Portland for support, which would have been forthcoming.
It's a costly maternity package for a reason.

At the very, very least, Meghan would have been able to Zoom call a US therapist, with the assistance of her mother. The notion that anyone was denying her therapy for depression and that she was left high and dry with nobody to help her is both risible and bloody insulting to every poor bugger who has to wait on NHS waiting lists for talking therapy.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:05

And I bet if Catherine had intervened in some way to get Meghan help, this would have been twisted into Catherine trying to brand Meghan as mad because of jealousy. In the same way that apparently it's William who has branded Harry as unstable, despite Harry's book and numerous interviews, talking about his instability and need for therapy and drugs.

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Serenster · 03/12/2023 10:05

He's using a similar argument about information already being in the public domain to deflect from the Dutch debacle - public domain here being "Fleet Street" knowing the names of the Royals Meghan had named in the letters. I'm now wondering if he's just talking about the Telegraph journalist.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard - I too had also thought that Omid saying “everyone knew about the letters” must be referring back to the Victoria Ward article. And that’s a really interesting point you make about that article being a “cold open” to the existence of the letters - the timing certainly stacks up there.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:06

Rather amusingly, even odious wokester and anti royalist, Benjamin Butterworth, has turned on the Sussexes and OS. I think he's of the "shit or get off the pot" mindset.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/12/2023 10:09

“In the past I, like others, have held back on revealing some of the darker truths at the heart of the institution of the British monarchy,” he writes. “Part of this book will burn my bridges for good

Poor Scooby. Talk about delusional about his own importance as well as not being able to write.

AliceOlive · 03/12/2023 10:16

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/12/2023 10:09

“In the past I, like others, have held back on revealing some of the darker truths at the heart of the institution of the British monarchy,” he writes. “Part of this book will burn my bridges for good

Poor Scooby. Talk about delusional about his own importance as well as not being able to write.

Doesn’t one need to have bridges in order to burn them? Unless he meant with Harry and Meghan.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/12/2023 10:19

Doesn’t one need to have bridges in order to burn them? Unless he meant with Harry and Meghan

Well, quite. Unless he actually meant 'totally trashing my credibility as a reporter of anything' and there's a mistranslation somewhere 😁

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:22

It's been days now. Why hasn't the truth of what happened with the Dutch version been revealed yet? Surely it can't be that hard to track down the manuscript the translator was working from, and at the very least publicly exonerate her and apologise for the original blame? She's been slandered as incompetent, and her livelihood is at risk - not to mention being at risk of being targeted by nutters.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 03/12/2023 10:23

PopNotPolitics · 03/12/2023 09:41

The "Katie Keene" thing is odd, but surely just a coincidence? Meghan is nowhere near stupid enough to be that blatant.

Oh I think Meghan isn’t even a quarter as in intelligent as she thinks she is. Of all the nonsense this actually rings the truest for me. She’d imagine that most people would not understand that vague cultural reference. Imagine how hilarious it would be if that became Catherine’s new widely used nickname and every time M heard it she’d know she was the one who put it out there

cyclamenqueen · 03/12/2023 10:24

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:22

It's been days now. Why hasn't the truth of what happened with the Dutch version been revealed yet? Surely it can't be that hard to track down the manuscript the translator was working from, and at the very least publicly exonerate her and apologise for the original blame? She's been slandered as incompetent, and her livelihood is at risk - not to mention being at risk of being targeted by nutters.

I would imagine the lawyers are involved and they are negotiating.

Vespanest · 03/12/2023 10:26

I’ve read the first hundred pages of Endgame yesterday, disclaimer I volunteer in a community hub and received a donated copy, sold now so can’t finish it. He doesn’t (for me) write as he speaks. He does quite well by using language in interviews especially deflecting but doesn’t seem to have the same ability on paper. It was a very flat read.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:31

BethDuttonsTwin · 03/12/2023 10:23

Oh I think Meghan isn’t even a quarter as in intelligent as she thinks she is. Of all the nonsense this actually rings the truest for me. She’d imagine that most people would not understand that vague cultural reference. Imagine how hilarious it would be if that became Catherine’s new widely used nickname and every time M heard it she’d know she was the one who put it out there

Well she talks about Katie Keene in her Spotify podcast, saying she didn't like the character, and as a child preferred someone called Betty who rescues animals. Why she might have thought nobody would join the dots is a complete mystery. I think she has benefitted from getting away with quite a lot in the past (side eye at you, MJ Warby) , and has become over confident.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/12/2023 10:33

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 03/12/2023 10:22

It's been days now. Why hasn't the truth of what happened with the Dutch version been revealed yet? Surely it can't be that hard to track down the manuscript the translator was working from, and at the very least publicly exonerate her and apologise for the original blame? She's been slandered as incompetent, and her livelihood is at risk - not to mention being at risk of being targeted by nutters.

Her livelihood isn’t at risk because nobody believes for a moment that she had anything to do with it (and she will be able to prove that very easily).

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