Page 38 | Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 2023-11-27T17:08:46+00:00

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to {mention:BoxedandRibboned} for the original thread. Original thread: [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571]]

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/12/2023 08:02

googlejourney · 30/11/2023 22:43

The Sussex's should denounce the book, it's the right thing to do, but Scobie will have so much dirt on them, they can't risk alienating him.
I believe the RF are coming out of this with more support and sympathy, it's a win for them. The book will be a best seller, so a win for Scobie, the only losers are H&M, but that's what happens when you sell your souls to the devil.

It is overall a win for them but C is now forever more “a racist” for those who wish to denounce her and want to see the back of the RF, there’s plenty of them. Such mud is hard to shake off in the current climate. This accusation of racism was a knife in a weak spot of the overall structure and M well knew it. They can just keep pushing and nudging at it in the hope that eventually the whole structure will collapse. I don’t think this is going to go away.

Bookworm1111 · 01/12/2023 08:02

Sky News naming them too. The Palace will have to take action now. These are completely unsubstantiated claims and there is NO way MM and PH are going to publicly come out on Scobie's side now. He's toast.

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:07

Meghan's fault Harry is a spoilt brat. Wallis Simpsons fault Edward viii was a nazi, Virginia Guiffre's fault Prince Andrew loved hanging out with sex offenders...

What on Earth are you talking about? I've never seen anyone claiming any of those things. Harry has always had 'issues', long before Meghan came on the scene, but she has nurtured and encouraged his sense of grievance in a way that no previous girlfriend ever did.

Everyone thought Edward VIII was a total prat and unfit to be king anyway.

And as for blaming Virginia Giuffre for Prince Andrew hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein - what???

I see Meghan's fan club has finally showed up 🙄

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:13

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:07

Meghan's fault Harry is a spoilt brat. Wallis Simpsons fault Edward viii was a nazi, Virginia Guiffre's fault Prince Andrew loved hanging out with sex offenders...

What on Earth are you talking about? I've never seen anyone claiming any of those things. Harry has always had 'issues', long before Meghan came on the scene, but she has nurtured and encouraged his sense of grievance in a way that no previous girlfriend ever did.

Everyone thought Edward VIII was a total prat and unfit to be king anyway.

And as for blaming Virginia Giuffre for Prince Andrew hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein - what???

I see Meghan's fan club has finally showed up 🙄

Meghan is the one who told the sorry tale on Oprah and led to accusations the whole royal family is a racist family. With William having to tell the press that it wasn't. The clip of Oprah's shocked face and reaction shows it was a very big deal. Meghan knew exactly what she was doing here.

MrsLeonFarrell · 01/12/2023 08:15

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/12/2023 08:02

It is overall a win for them but C is now forever more “a racist” for those who wish to denounce her and want to see the back of the RF, there’s plenty of them. Such mud is hard to shake off in the current climate. This accusation of racism was a knife in a weak spot of the overall structure and M well knew it. They can just keep pushing and nudging at it in the hope that eventually the whole structure will collapse. I don’t think this is going to go away.

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The Sussex Squad on twitter have been calling Catherine a racist for years and it hasn't gained traction outside their echo chamber.

I don't see this actually being believed outside those who already thought it. I haven't seen anyone commenting that it has changed their minds even. If the book has been released last December as planned it might have gained a bit more traction but the story has changed so many times from Harry that it is just static now. The press are making a fuss because it generates clicks but in the comment sections I don't see minds being changed.

Plus I think I'm naming Charles and Catherine he's gone for the two royals it is hardest to believe had any racist motives, but are believable in a discussion about whatever was discussed out of concern for Harry and his fractious relationship with the media. I don't think either of them are perfect I can just see both of them caring about Harry and discussing him in that context.

Angrycat2768 · 01/12/2023 08:16

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:07

Meghan's fault Harry is a spoilt brat. Wallis Simpsons fault Edward viii was a nazi, Virginia Guiffre's fault Prince Andrew loved hanging out with sex offenders...

What on Earth are you talking about? I've never seen anyone claiming any of those things. Harry has always had 'issues', long before Meghan came on the scene, but she has nurtured and encouraged his sense of grievance in a way that no previous girlfriend ever did.

Everyone thought Edward VIII was a total prat and unfit to be king anyway.

And as for blaming Virginia Giuffre for Prince Andrew hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein - what???

I see Meghan's fan club has finally showed up 🙄

The person I quoted did blame Meghan. I'm in no way Meghans fan club. But she has taken the complete flack for marrying Harry when most of this is his fault, not least for not preparing her properly. His previous girlfriends ran for the hills when faced with marrying him and his family. That is entirely their fault. You cannot say that no one hasn't blamed women for the actions of poor and pathetic members of the Royal Family, now or in the past. Virginia Guiffre is constantly being shut shamed by people defending Andrew with their ' whataboutery and ' he hasn't been convicted of anything' and Wallis Simpson has historically taken the lions share of the blame for the abdication even though she was used as a scapegoat by the establishment to get rid of Edward because they couldn't admit that the person ' born to be King' was wholly unsuitable.

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:18

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:13

Meghan is the one who told the sorry tale on Oprah and led to accusations the whole royal family is a racist family. With William having to tell the press that it wasn't. The clip of Oprah's shocked face and reaction shows it was a very big deal. Meghan knew exactly what she was doing here.

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Yes, but that's not what was said in the earlier post.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 01/12/2023 08:18

Where is the evidence Charles and Catherine made a racist comment ?

This is third hand hearsay from an unreliable twit who probably started the conversation himself - he had to be there to hear it -so are we to believe he just sat there and didn’t participate?

I hope they sue and teach the slimey lot a lesson

YourNameGoesHere · 01/12/2023 08:20

Lockupyourbiscuits · 01/12/2023 08:18

Where is the evidence Charles and Catherine made a racist comment ?

This is third hand hearsay from an unreliable twit who probably started the conversation himself - he had to be there to hear it -so are we to believe he just sat there and didn’t participate?

I hope they sue and teach the slimey lot a lesson

There isn't any evidence and thankfully anyone with half a brain cell can see this is nothing more than playground bullying akin to my mate heard from his mate that you called me XYZ.

StormzyinaTCup · 01/12/2023 08:22

Bookworm1111 · 01/12/2023 08:02

Sky News naming them too. The Palace will have to take action now. These are completely unsubstantiated claims and there is NO way MM and PH are going to publicly come out on Scobie's side now. He's toast.

I think that could be why they are doing it, certainly in Piers Morgan's case. He would very much like to see the couple in the witness box if a case is bought against Scobie. In much the same way Amber Heard had to appear in the Johnny Depp v The Sun hearing.

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:31

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:18

Yes, but that's not what was said in the earlier post.

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What earlier post do you mean. Thanks.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 01/12/2023 08:36

10WildDogs · 01/12/2023 07:51

@Bookworm1111 totally and they can't use the old favourite of Charles briefing against his children or William briefing against his father - as both Charles and Catherine are named. It would make no sense. Or are they suggesting that Andrew got hold of it and leaked it in revenge for being stripped of his duties.

Oh the usual suspects on these threads are asking why the Palace ordered the names of Catherine and Charles to be released. They have a full pack of Bacofoil on today. Occams Razor is an almighty fuck up by Omid and/or his agent when doing the licensing deal with Xander.

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BoohooWoohoo · 01/12/2023 08:37

Piers obviously named the people in the book for his own personal career but works at a Murdoch company so would have easy access to top notch legal advice. He would obviously love a situation where he could get revenge for losing his job at ITV.

MrsFinkelstein · 01/12/2023 08:41

I don't think the book has shifted the needle particularly- if anything more towards sympathy for the RF.

It will be interesting to see what the RF do, and if H&M say anything.

I did read a titbit online about a discussion by "Royal Experts" - OS claimed C had the nickname ""Katy Keene" - but the panelists were saying she was never ever known by this name by Fleet Street, (or to their knowledge) by Palace Courtiers.

"Katy Keene" is apparently an obscure character in the Archie comics in the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KatyKeene

M was a huge fan of these growing up. Her father and her used to hunt for vintage copies for her to read.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/meghan-markle-archetypes-podcast-archie-b2160834.html

Wonder exactly who gave this nickname to C and who told OS? 🤔

Katy Keene - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Keene

User5442525 · 01/12/2023 08:41

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 30/11/2023 20:34

Some clever sleuth I follow may have a theory.

There was a tweeted press release in August 2022 from Scobie, saying he had sold the World English rights to his (as then) untitled book to Dey Street/Harper Collins UK&Commonwealth/Harper Collins US.

Publishers either buy World Rights or World English Rights. World rights means one publisher publishes all over the world and deals direct with local translations.

If the author sold only World English Rights to the above mentioned publisher, he held on to his foreign translation rights. He would be able to sell the foreign translation rights as separate transactions through his agent to local foreign language publishers. The foreign publishers would not have anything to do with the publisher with the World English rights - they would have their own individual deals through the author's agent.

So Harper Collins, the publisher of the English language version, would not have sent the manuscript to The Dutch publisher, Xander. OS's agent would have - sending whatever OS gave him to send as the final manuscript for translation. There's a possibility that the Dutch manuscript could have been different to the one sent to his English language publisher, because it was part of a completely separate transaction.

Scobie said in his interview on This Morning that his manuscript gets "licensed" to other publishers in foreign countries. That statement only makes sense if his agent is licensing the manuscript off one deal at a time to foreign language publishers. And that's where an old/different version of the manuscript potentially could have sneaked into the "pile" or file being licensed off.

Yes that's very true! Language translation rights are not always from the same publisher and on a book this size, it was the smarter business sense to avoid HC getting a direct cut of all the translations.

However I still can't get my head around WHY he had a copy of the manuscript with both names inside in first place? That means he originally wanted that information to be the bombshell within every edition of the book. So he was absolutely prepared to take the fallout that came with it. I also believe that it could have been a genuine mistake. The author rarely gets any control over the manuscript once it's been submitted to editors. Everything could have been sitting on a Dropbox somewhere with different file names or the agent FTP'd a wrong version to the Dutch publisher. It could have been pure laziness with someone being too lazy to download an updated version and just sent off the file they already had on their computer.

themessygarden · 01/12/2023 08:42

Despite the bravado, Scobie looks really rattled. And what’s with his awful makeup.

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:42

But she has taken the complete flack for marrying Harry when most of this is his fault, not least for not preparing her properly.

She was ill-prepared for royal life - it's true - and Harry is undoubtedly to blame for that, but it's also due to the haste of their courtship, the lack of time Meghan had spent in the UK before they got engaged, and her complete unwillingness to take up the many offers of guidance she received as a new royal bride. She went into the job thinking she knew better than everyone else and that she could be a catalyst for change. Her arrogance and her unwillingness to accept that she had anything to learn is a big reason why it didn't work out and why the two of them flounced off to America after only 18 months on the job.

I think royal life was a complete disappointment for her. She wanted the fairy tale - the palaces, tiaras, state dinners and adoring crowds - not opening a shopping centre in Bradford on a rainy Tuesday while living in reasonably modest house on the Windsor estate. But while Harry clearly didn't spell that out to her, she also didn't ask or bother to find out in her haste to marry a prince.

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:45

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:31

What earlier post do you mean. Thanks.

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The one I quoted and was responding to, that you then responded to.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 01/12/2023 08:46

How interesting @MrsFinkelstein . I would have thought the Katy Keen monicker would have been outed a long time ago, had it been used commonly within the aids and by the UK press. Never heard of it until Scobie's book.

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BoohooWoohoo · 01/12/2023 08:48

However I still can't get my head around WHY he had a copy of the manuscript with both names inside in first place?
He’s been very careful to say that he never submitted a version with the names.
I like the jokey theories that the book was really written by ChatGPT or a team of writers hence the “accident” If all foreign language versions had the names then the “accident” would be more believable.
He is despicable blaming the translator. I’ve seen photos of the translator (presumably at home because it looks like her front door behind her) and feel deeply sorry for her. She’s an innocent who doesn’t need dragging into this publicity stunt to drum up sales of a book with no other real revelations.

themessygarden · 01/12/2023 08:53

@cheezncrackers yes, I agree and don’t forget the press were glowing about her in the beginning, I really thought she would be a breath of fresh air and Harry looked so happy. I think she really believed she and Harry would be the top dogs in the RF in the eyes of the media, even if they didn’t have the top job.

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Mylovelygreendress · 01/12/2023 08:56

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:42

But she has taken the complete flack for marrying Harry when most of this is his fault, not least for not preparing her properly.

She was ill-prepared for royal life - it's true - and Harry is undoubtedly to blame for that, but it's also due to the haste of their courtship, the lack of time Meghan had spent in the UK before they got engaged, and her complete unwillingness to take up the many offers of guidance she received as a new royal bride. She went into the job thinking she knew better than everyone else and that she could be a catalyst for change. Her arrogance and her unwillingness to accept that she had anything to learn is a big reason why it didn't work out and why the two of them flounced off to America after only 18 months on the job.

I think royal life was a complete disappointment for her. She wanted the fairy tale - the palaces, tiaras, state dinners and adoring crowds - not opening a shopping centre in Bradford on a rainy Tuesday while living in reasonably modest house on the Windsor estate. But while Harry clearly didn't spell that out to her, she also didn't ask or bother to find out in her haste to marry a prince.

Completely agree . She wasn’t an innocent teenager like Diana , she was an almost middle aged woman who had been married before and had managed to make a living in a cut throat business .

Chouxpastryishard · 01/12/2023 08:58

cheezncrackers · 01/12/2023 08:42

But she has taken the complete flack for marrying Harry when most of this is his fault, not least for not preparing her properly.

She was ill-prepared for royal life - it's true - and Harry is undoubtedly to blame for that, but it's also due to the haste of their courtship, the lack of time Meghan had spent in the UK before they got engaged, and her complete unwillingness to take up the many offers of guidance she received as a new royal bride. She went into the job thinking she knew better than everyone else and that she could be a catalyst for change. Her arrogance and her unwillingness to accept that she had anything to learn is a big reason why it didn't work out and why the two of them flounced off to America after only 18 months on the job.

I think royal life was a complete disappointment for her. She wanted the fairy tale - the palaces, tiaras, state dinners and adoring crowds - not opening a shopping centre in Bradford on a rainy Tuesday while living in reasonably modest house on the Windsor estate. But while Harry clearly didn't spell that out to her, she also didn't ask or bother to find out in her haste to marry a prince.

As has been said many times in these threads, she wanted the glory and the kudos, he wanted a wife and kids. It was in neither of their interests to scrutinise too much . They both wanted what they wanted so badly, a microscope would have shown all the gaping holes . She didn’t want to be put off and he didn’t want to pass up the chance to marry a beautiful woman .
She couldn’t be bothered to do any research , show any humility or listen to advice.

themessygarden · 01/12/2023 09:00

That’s why we have never heard the Katie Keen moniker before Omid announced it, Clearly all paths lead back to MM, and in all likelihood it was her nickname for her!