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boxedandribboned · 2023-09-25T13:08:14+00:00

This story is curious. There are versions in the Telegraph, Daily Mail and Times as well. With Buckingham Palace emphatically denying it - Harry seems the likely source. Is he trying to force the RF to give him a permanent home in the UK? Ordinarily, it would seem a reasonable enough thing to expect, but of course, things are no longer 'normal'. After Harry's disloyalty to both the family and the institution, it is a bit cheeky to expect to be given free home on royal property? [[https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/buckingham-palace-addresses-claims-it-b2417977.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/buckingham-palace-addresses-claims-it-b2417977.html]]

wordler · 27/09/2023 20:11

MissElinorDashwood · 27/09/2023 19:56

If at any point Charles thinks it will make him look good to the UK public to welcome Harry back then he will do it. He seems to think at this point in time that it's better to look stoic and strong in the face of a difficult family situation.

This just sounds so wrong. So he’ll act like a father and grandfather if the PR suits him?

This is just my opinion but I think now he's monarch he will put the stability of the Crown above personal relationships and that would mean following the approval ratings to a certain extent.

He hasn't got the long-standing public approval his mother had - he can't treat Harry like she treated Andrew and do what he personally wants over what the public will find acceptable.

wordler · 27/09/2023 20:15

As I think @TallerSally pointed out his big personal want was Camilla as Queen Consort and I think he used up his stock of public wellbeing with that wish. So probably not much left to be able to treat Harry as he'd wish against public opinion.

And that's assuming he wants to bring Harry back in and support him etc. He might not do after the things Harry wrote about her in Spare.

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 20:16

... my point being that if the likes of pro-establishment Nadine Dorries are taking position against King Charles on this Harry issue, and in the Daily Mail of all places, then others of her ilk may well be thinking the same...

... hence high risk of reputational damage King Charles (and Camilla).

MissElinorDashwood · 27/09/2023 20:18

@wordler He’s also head of the Church….and the head of his family.

Unity would go a long way in this country. Especially now. IMO most people are fed up with the divisions tearing up our society.
A united Monarchy is better for this country. At the moment is just feels like it’s falling apart, just like every other institution.

There needs to be some optimism.
He could lead the way, if he wanted to.

EdithWeston · 27/09/2023 20:25

And the snatching away from Harry of security, funds, all manner of titles and Frogmore Cottage gifted by QE

Decisions on security, funding, removal of patronages were all made by ER II and carried out in her lifetime.

Frogmore was leased (it's all in the accounts) and the lease ran out in March 2023. Did they renew? I don't remember anything about that. But they didn't move out until at least 3 months after.

PamelaAndreaGryglaszewska · 27/09/2023 20:39

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 20:16

... my point being that if the likes of pro-establishment Nadine Dorries are taking position against King Charles on this Harry issue, and in the Daily Mail of all places, then others of her ilk may well be thinking the same...

... hence high risk of reputational damage King Charles (and Camilla).

Not sure how pro establishment Dorris is since her altercation over her expected peerage. Certainly her pro Brexit tribe are no going to be supporting Harry any time soon.

Howsimplywonderful · 27/09/2023 20:43

@TallerSally

The daily Mail just want your clicks. Nadine wants a cheque. I wouldn’t read any more into it 🤷‍♀️

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 20:52

Howsimplywonderful · 27/09/2023 20:43

@TallerSally

The daily Mail just want your clicks. Nadine wants a cheque. I wouldn’t read any more into it 🤷‍♀️

I wouldn't be so sure.

Dorries isn't the only public figure to side with Harry on this issue. And the longer it drags on, with it being clear that Prince Archie and Princess Lili won't be seen in Britain anytime soon given that there's nowhere safe for them to be without being mobbed by paps, the greater the likelihood of reputational damage to King Charles (and Camilla).

I agree with PP that everything with the RF is about image management with the public, and doing everything perceived as necessary to secure the survival of the monarchy. And that it's likely that the stance King Charles choses to take in relation to Harry is hugely influenced by Camilla, who doesn't have much personal incentive to be kind to the only one of her former rival Diana's children who she knows she can roast at will (Harry's criticisms of her media briefings in Spare were unlikely to be plucked out of thin air).

So, we have this unedifying spectacle of tit-for-tat retaliation against Harry, which only serves to confirm among the rest of the world (including in Commonwealth countries, where H&M have a great deal more support than in Britain) that Harry was probably right.

JSMill · 27/09/2023 20:56

EdithWeston · 27/09/2023 20:25

And the snatching away from Harry of security, funds, all manner of titles and Frogmore Cottage gifted by QE

Decisions on security, funding, removal of patronages were all made by ER II and carried out in her lifetime.

Frogmore was leased (it's all in the accounts) and the lease ran out in March 2023. Did they renew? I don't remember anything about that. But they didn't move out until at least 3 months after.

I am sure decisions about security are not in the hands of the monarch. The cost to the UK in providing full time British police personnel to a UK citizen and his family in the USA would have been sky high. They chose to live in the USA. I don't want to see scarce public money spent on protecting them if they choose to leave the UK. They no longer have a public role so the public has no responsibility for them. (I feel the same about Andrew , Beatrice, Eugenie etc)

Roussette · 27/09/2023 20:58

JSMill · 27/09/2023 20:56

I am sure decisions about security are not in the hands of the monarch. The cost to the UK in providing full time British police personnel to a UK citizen and his family in the USA would have been sky high. They chose to live in the USA. I don't want to see scarce public money spent on protecting them if they choose to leave the UK. They no longer have a public role so the public has no responsibility for them. (I feel the same about Andrew , Beatrice, Eugenie etc)

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Are they asking for this? Is there a recent announcement saying they expect this?

NO

Serenster · 27/09/2023 21:01

Prince Archie and Princess Lili won't be seen in Britain anytime soon given that there's nowhere safe for them to be without being mobbed by paps

This is simply not true, given the strict rules on photographing minors in the UK. They are more at risk of this in the US (and have indeed been papped there a few times)

AuroraCake · 27/09/2023 21:02

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 20:52

I wouldn't be so sure.

Dorries isn't the only public figure to side with Harry on this issue. And the longer it drags on, with it being clear that Prince Archie and Princess Lili won't be seen in Britain anytime soon given that there's nowhere safe for them to be without being mobbed by paps, the greater the likelihood of reputational damage to King Charles (and Camilla).

I agree with PP that everything with the RF is about image management with the public, and doing everything perceived as necessary to secure the survival of the monarchy. And that it's likely that the stance King Charles choses to take in relation to Harry is hugely influenced by Camilla, who doesn't have much personal incentive to be kind to the only one of her former rival Diana's children who she knows she can roast at will (Harry's criticisms of her media briefings in Spare were unlikely to be plucked out of thin air).

So, we have this unedifying spectacle of tit-for-tat retaliation against Harry, which only serves to confirm among the rest of the world (including in Commonwealth countries, where H&M have a great deal more support than in Britain) that Harry was probably right.

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Why would Harry bring them to England? It has little to do with safety as there are several relatives they could stay with, who given adequate notice, could have made places available to them. Harry doesn't come to the UK. He doesn't visit friends and he doesn't visit family. I kean so be it. He could spend a lot of time in the UK if he wanted.

EdithWeston · 27/09/2023 21:09

JSMill · 27/09/2023 20:56

I am sure decisions about security are not in the hands of the monarch. The cost to the UK in providing full time British police personnel to a UK citizen and his family in the USA would have been sky high. They chose to live in the USA. I don't want to see scarce public money spent on protecting them if they choose to leave the UK. They no longer have a public role so the public has no responsibility for them. (I feel the same about Andrew , Beatrice, Eugenie etc)

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Yes, the final security decision was made by RAVEC (and that is what Harry has JR about).

But those decisions were made during the lifetime of ER II, and the IPP status was rescinded v early on. Harry has alleged the Palace had undue influence at that time (who sits on RAVEC and information flow to it being part of the JR).

As there is a legal challenge underway, I'm not surprised KC is making no change .

JSMill · 27/09/2023 21:23

I don't know what H has alleged. However as a UK taxpayer who often wonders where her tax money goes, I don't want millions of pounds being paid to people who do nothing in the service of the state. If they don't carry out royal duties, they are celebrities not public servants. I feel the same about Beatrice, Eugenie etc.

PrincessOfTigger · 27/09/2023 22:05

I don’t understand why H even wanted to stay there over a suite or rented property nearby. He doesn’t know whether he’s in or out.

BigFatLiar · 27/09/2023 22:07

JSMill · 27/09/2023 21:23

I don't know what H has alleged. However as a UK taxpayer who often wonders where her tax money goes, I don't want millions of pounds being paid to people who do nothing in the service of the state. If they don't carry out royal duties, they are celebrities not public servants. I feel the same about Beatrice, Eugenie etc.

I think it's up to the king to allocate the monies to different members of the family. The government allocates an amount to the king which is supposed to come from the crown estates. The crown estates belong to the monarch and he signs the income over to the government when he became king. Most of the income from the estates are retained by the government. He has his own personal wealth but the main role of the monarch is meant to be funded by the allowance which he (or his people) manage, hence their reference to the RF as 'the firm'.

AuroraCake · 27/09/2023 22:15

Security is paid for by the tax payer. Cases could have chosen to pay about 5 million a year for Harry's security...he wasn't going to. But Harry doesn't want to pay it either. Who would.

Mylovelygreendress · 27/09/2023 22:20

“And the snatching away from Harry of security, funds, all manner of titles and Frogmore Cottage gifted by QE. Not sure if the right way to describe Charles is 'popular'. And now this.”

Seriously ? Snatching away ? Who would think it reasonable for the Met to provide 24/7 security to Harry while he lives in the US building up his fortune ?
Funds ? He was left millions by his mum and Great Grandmother. He is a middle aged man ! Can he not support himself ?

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 23:26

@AuroraCake
Harry doesn't come to the UK. He doesn't visit friends and he doesn't visit family.

And you know that because you have a tracker installed on him somewhere, right?

Lmk how you did that, I'd love to try it on my kids!

PamelaAndreaGryglaszewska · 27/09/2023 23:36

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 23:26

@AuroraCake
Harry doesn't come to the UK. He doesn't visit friends and he doesn't visit family.

And you know that because you have a tracker installed on him somewhere, right?

Lmk how you did that, I'd love to try it on my kids!

Well if he does do that, then it proves he’s very much capable of being in the UK without the need for palace accommodation, state funded security and privacy protection from tabloids and paps!

AuroraCake · 27/09/2023 23:37

TallerSally · 27/09/2023 23:26

@AuroraCake
Harry doesn't come to the UK. He doesn't visit friends and he doesn't visit family.

And you know that because you have a tracker installed on him somewhere, right?

Lmk how you did that, I'd love to try it on my kids!

I don’t need one. The media do it for me…free of charge. The minute he steps foot in this country they know. And he never stays long. They may visit him fair enough.

get a family app tracker thing, tell you where they all are at all times.

TallerSally · 28/09/2023 00:12

@AuroraCake
I don’t need one. The media do it for me…free of charge.

ah yes, “the media “, that fountain source of credible, reliable, accurate and impartial information…

smilesy · 28/09/2023 07:20

PamelaAndreaGryglaszewska · 27/09/2023 23:36

Well if he does do that, then it proves he’s very much capable of being in the UK without the need for palace accommodation, state funded security and privacy protection from tabloids and paps!

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Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 28/09/2023 11:56

I don't really understand this story, it seems to me like a mash up between two separate stories. One is to do with Harry being Counsellor of State so needing to have a UK base and the other is Harry apparently being pissed off with not being allowed to stay at Windsor when in the UK.

I think he was unreasonable regarding Windsor, I can't imagine that it's like a Premier Inn and you can just book a room the day before you arrive.

As the article states, KC has appointed Anne and Edward as COSs so really the chance of Harry being needed is virtually zero so he doesn't NEED a base in the UK. As far as I can tell, KC seems fine with Harry having somewhere to stay if he's visiting the UK provided he gives warning but why on earth would KC set up a place for him permanently when he's rarely here? I'm not a Harry fan but has he actually said that he'd like a place here?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 28/09/2023 12:37

I'm not a Harry fan but has he actually said that he'd like a place here?

Nobody has any idea. A whole thread about a story almost certainly created by media.