Buckingham Palace denies claims Charles ‘might offer Harry a royal home’ in UK

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This story is curious. There are versions in the Telegraph, Daily Mail and Times as well. With Buckingham Palace emphatically denying it - Harry seems the likely source. Is he trying to force the RF to give him a permanent home in the UK?

Ordinarily, it would seem a reasonable enough thing to expect, but of course, things are no longer 'normal'. After Harry's disloyalty to both the family and the institution, it is a bit cheeky to expect to be given free home on royal property?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/buckingham-palace-addresses-claims-it-b2417977.html

Nadine Dorries of all people has just come out in support of Harry on this 'place to stay' debate, in the DM today (no link, but pls see below):

After their triumphant State visit to France last week, I hope King Charles and Queen Camilla are enjoying a G+T or two. All those people who said Charles would struggle to step into his mother’s shoes have been forced to eat their words. The royal visit did more for international relations than any politician ever could.
But I can only imagine the pang Charles must have felt knowing that his success abroad is tempered by the ongoing family rift with Harry and Meghan. As a parent, you are only ever as happy as your least-happy child, whether that child is four or 40 (as Harry will be next year).
Charles will know that two issues go to the heart of whether he can heal this rift. The first is the issue of protection. When the Sussexes are in Britain, the threat to their security is serious and genuine. This problem falls on the shoulders of the Home Office: as I know all too well, a basket-case of a department. To say Harry can’t have full police protection, even if he pays for it himself, is a nonsense. Suella Braverman needs to get this sorted.
The second thorn is accommodation on the Royal Estate. There are enough rooms in Kensington Palace: let Harry and Meghan have a few so they have a safe and familiar place to stay. The children can get to know it – and it will give them a strong sense of their heritage. Prince Harry will always be of royal blood, and though family rifts are always painful, time is a great healer.

I continue to believe this little episode will not end up looking good for King Charles (and Camilla)...

Opinions may differ as to whether he was justified in booting H&M out of Frogmore, not offering them and their royal kids a SAFE/pap-free alternative, and this latest refusal to let Harry stay at Windsor, while making weak excuses about 'not asking in advance' (why would that be necessary - it's not as if the place is overbooked), but the bottom line is the same: it still feels like unedifying, tit-for-tat behaviour.

Would you don't be doing everything to make things better so that you can see your son and grandchildren?

this latest refusal to let Harry stay at Windsor, while making weak excuses about 'not asking in advance' (why would that be necessary - it's not as if the place is overbooked),

It’s not really a weak excuse though. Nobody is in residence at the Castle at the moment, so the State apartments are presumably all closed up. Some notice would be needed to prepare them and make sure they were suitably staffed. It’s not the same as just letting someone use a spare room. As pp have said, you can’t just rock up at Windsor and expect to spend the night there when no one is in residence.

@smilesy
As pp have said, you can’t just rock up at Windsor and expect to spend the night there when no one is in residence.

"no one", really? And how would you or any pp be certain of that?

It seems logical that a castle like Windsor should ALWAYS have a TON of staff milling in and around it, whether the King is in residence or not. Or is the assumption that ALL the staff just go on (unpaid?) holiday? Not likely.

This stuff isn't rocket science, I'm sure someone with a key and a few cleaners and security guards stay in residence all the time...

They said the media they would not cooperative with was the Sun, Mirror, Xpress and Mail. Freelance journalists like Bryony is a different matter

On that point, I see the emails obtained in the US under a Freedom of Information Request have now been released and the Archewell representatives organising Meghan and Harry’s trip to New York in September 2021 informed the New York Mayor’s office and City Hall that:

“Just one flag, under no circumstances should we let in folks from the 4 UK tabloids (Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror and Express)”

And indeed it seems City Hall and the Mayor’s press office were happy to go along with this, as the Mail reporter was not allowed access, though the Mail claim they were told that that was because they had not confirmed attendance the night before.

The emails are an interesting read.

If you’re relying on Nadine Dorries to advocate got
you via the daily Mail, I think you’ve lost that argument

I mean other members of the RF. It’s not a hotel. And surely if he was to stay, he would have to be looked after properly? He wouldn’t expect to just doss there for the night. He would expect to have food etc provided. So some notice would be expected.

Not relying on anyone, nor attempting to win an argument (not every post is about confrontation, you know), simply bringing the above to everyone's attention as a surprising source of support for Harry.

@smilesy

Where there's a will (and dozens of staff), there's a way.

When there's no will, there are excuses.

Imagine Boris Johnson rocked up to No10 as couldn’t be arsed to get a hotel demanding to stay the night as he used to be PM.

Ah, the non-like-for -like comparison...

Last I checked, Harry was still a member of the RF

I am sure King Charles could find accommodation for Harry if he wasted to (if Harry even does)

Errr it's nothing like that, KC is his father and has numerous properties

BJ has no links now with no 10( thankfully)

🤣🤣

I’m sure if Harry needed a place to stay for random visits King Charles would find him somewhere - it’s probably Host’s Choice though so might be guest quarters at Clarence House if in London, or guest quarters at Highgrove if in the country, not necessarily castle of your choice.

For a permanent home I’m sure there would be discussions if Harry really wanted one - but again it would be monarch’s choice so could be Beatrice’s old apartment in St James’ but privately paid for like Catherine Zita Jones does. Or one of the cottages on one of Charles’ privately owned places Iike Sandringham etc. Then there is no upsetting the tax payer adding Harry’s accommodation to their bill.

Who knows if any of those options would be appealing to Harry if he does indeed want a UK pad.

Harry knew he would be here for the Well Child ever. Did he not have his accommodation sorted? The article says that he was expected to give notice, so presumably he hadn’t done so. And he was told he could say at Balmoral with his father. As @wordler says it would be the hosts choice where he stays.

Fantastic! All it took was one 'supportive of Harry' piece to transform this story from 'lies' into a serious issue and the 'gutter press' into a credible source. 😁

@smilesy
it would be the hosts choice where he stays

Come on.

Sure, I'd like to host you on your overnight stay in London... in Scotland!

Your words and your view, not mine.

Again, as I said, I don't believe this story will end up looking good for King Charles, whether it's true or not.

Well as said above, maybe he should have stayed at KP. That would have been more logical if he was in London. Rather than Windsor, which just happens to be a whole castle so more impressive. Call me cynical …😉

@smilesy
Rather than Windsor, which just happens to be a whole castle so more impressive. Call me cynical …😉

You're right: what matters here is that Harry is arrogant and entitled.

Classic attempt at deflecting.

As I said, this story isn't looking good for King Charles (and Camilla). It's not unreasonable to look to an (expensive and powerful) monarch for some sort of moral leadership even in family matters, such as marriage and parenting.

KC and C have already shown us how it's NOT done when it comes to marriage. Now there's an opportunity to course correct on parenting, I'm not sure they're taking it.

And people are starting to notice, with this Harry tit-for-tat retaliatory "down in the trenches" conduct.

Do you think Harry is arrogant and entitled?

@wordler

Suggest you re-read my post... If that's the conclusion you draw, then that's the conclusion you draw...

@TallerSally I wasn't drawing a conclusion that was why I was asking a question. I don't recognise your user name compared to some of the others on these boards so I was wondering which camp you generally fell into.

(I understand you were making a point that you felt the PP poster was using their view of Harry as a deflection)

However, I was asking what your view of Harry is?

We seem to have:

Team Will and Kate (they can do no wrong and it's open season on team Harry and Meghan)

Team Harry and Meghan (they can do no wrong and it's open season on team William and Kate and all the other working royals)

Team ardent royalist (team Charles and Cam by default)

Team Constitutional Monarchist as a system - happy to support or criticise the current incumbents based on their behaviour and actions but not that worried about all the inherited wealth

Team Status Quo - open to other head of state options but not that passionate about it either way plus love the pomp and tiaras

Team Republican as a system - fair criticism of current incumbents and associates fair game but don't like all the horrible personal attacks

Team Republican who particularly likes Harry and Meghan as the potential downfall of the monarchy and the nastier the story on the Windsors the better.

For reference, I'm Team Constitutional Monarchy with a side of open to other head-of-state options. And I could be moved to Team Republican if I didn't think whoever the monarch/heir was at the time was up to the job.

If the poster did an AIBU about rocking up to the parents without giving any notice despite them asking for some and demanding an expensive holiday home despite not speaking to them, can you imagine the responses 🤣