Thomas Markle is back - right after the Invictus Games

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What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909

Ah so if SausageGate wasn't in his tabloidesque book what about the waaahs about room size? In Balmoral William's was larger he said somehwere, hard to recall which of his tell alls it was from there being so many.

Though I very much doubt Harold's was a box room in the attic with mould growing up the walls. Tone deaf, as always.

Actually I totally agree with you

what was so terrible about the pictures with the press to warrant the initial estrangement

It wasn't the pictures. They made it clear to him via texts and calls they knew he was manipulated by the media, they were prepared to immediately go get him. Both in court and on the series some of the exchanges were provided. He didn't; answer her calls and texts and she found out on TMZ he wasn't coming when he gave them an interview to say so, without telling her. She stopped trying to contact him once she realised her sister had his phone. It really does seem like his estranged older children made it impossible for her to be able to connect with him. Meghan has made it absolutely clear she did not want this and wanted her father in her life. Now it's not safe for her to try and she's lost a relationship that was once important. Children don't tend to go NC with parents they were once close to for shits and giggles. This looks like it was painful for her and yet people are criticising her like she did this because she's evil.

@Lockupyourbiscuits

what was so terrible about the pictures with the press to warrant the initial estrangement

Again, it was not the pictures that caused the estrangement.

It was that:

Thomas was asked not to cooperate with paps, but did it anyway

Thomas was asked whether he had cooperated, and lied that he hadn't

Meghan and Harry said we can take care of it if you tell us what happened

He refused to engage

They said they would send a car early so he takes his flight, and did so, but by then he was out of hospital but not at his house ( Thomas confirmed this in his first interview)

He then spoke to TMZ, not his daughter, to say he wa not coming to the wedding (He claimed he was too embarrassed to talk to her)

He refused to take calls

Next, he pops up on GMB, to talk to Piers after the wedding and confirmed the above.

Then he does another interview, this one more angry.

And another, and another and threatens to do an interview every month until he talks to her, and says the famous line: It's time to take care of Daddy.

Samantha flies to the UK to do an interview and stalk Meghan outside Kensington Palace

More interviews from Thomas and his children.

At the Queen's suggestion, Meghan writes to him, asking him to stop attacking her, her husband and the rest of the royal family through the media

He writes back, asking for a photo for the media

Thomas does another interview, saying Meghan is ignoring him

Her friends contact People to say, no to the contrary, she set him a letter

He sells part of the letter to the Mail on Sunday (excluding the bits where she talked about her financial support to him)

Meghan sues Mail on Sunday for publishing the redacted letter.

Thomas offers to testify for the Mail on Sunday, to defeat his daughter's case.

Meghan has a miscarriage, which, right or wrong, she attributes to the stress of that case.

This is just Part One in The Adventures of Thomas Markle and the Tabloid Media.

All this happened BEFORE Harry and Meghan left, before any Oprah interview, before the Netflix series, and before SPARE.

Let me know if I should write Part Two of The Further Adventures of Thomas Markle.

Amazing @MrsMaxDeWinter thank you

I agree

Thanks for your question @Janiie

As I said more than a few times on the SPARE threads, some I started and others started by others, I have no intention of discussing Prince Harry's book with those who have not read it, nor will I discuss the Netflix series with those who have not watched it.

The result, as we saw in @derxa's post, is that I end up in a cycle of correcting things that people think are in SPARE, but are not. I'm not interested in filtering Harry's words though what the tabloids said. Thanks for your understanding.

@Lockupyourbiscuits to answer your question about the relationship between Meghan and her father before Harry: my reading of the Markle dynamic, supported by all the photos Thomas and Samantha have sold to the media, and those in Netflix is that:

Meghan lived with her mother full time until she was 11, seeing her dad as a non-resident parent. We saw these pictures in the Netflix series. Many of these have not been seen before meaning only Meghan and Doria had them.

She then lived with Thomas full time from 11 until 18 when she went to college, seeing her mother as the non-resident parent. The move was said (by Thomas, Doria and Meghan) to be because Thomas lived closer to her school. Samantha by then had had two of her three children, and had long moved out.

We saw pictures from this time in the Netflix series, some of the pictures were familiar because they were sold by Thomas before this, and by Ninaki Priddy to the Daily Mail in 2017.

Thomas and Doria attended Meghan's graduation at Northwestern. Those of us who followed The Tig saw these pictures in her flashback posts.

Meghan attended Samantha's graduation in 2006 or 2008. There is one famous picture from this day, which was the last time Meghan saw Samantha, and that Samantha sold to the Daily Mail.

There are no other pictures of Meghan and her father after her graduation, until the photos taken as part of her wedding to Trevor.

There are no pictures of them together from her Toronto days pre-Harry. If there were, Thomas or Samantha would have sold them.

After that, the only family pictures Meghan posted to The Tig are her mother's graduation, attending UN women with her mother, and their three hands held together at Thanksgiving 2016.

By then, she was with Harry, and obviously trying to curate into a happy family image what was obviously, if you now look back, always a dysfunctional family, as blended families can be, as we know too well from the Step Parenting threads.

Meghan and Harry are two people from dysfunctional families, each trying to create for each other, and for their children, the thing they did not have as kids, a bonded and united nuclear family.

And it's why I think they will be happy together. They are both the children of divorce, they have seen what it can do to children, they have seen how poisonous the "step" family dynamic can be, and they will not want it for their own children. There's that lovely book, about marriage, that says we are all broken, but find the person who is broken in a way that you understand.

Wow I wasn’t expecting such a comprehensive answer
i almost wish I hadn’t asked
thanks though

hope u have some voice recognition software and didn’t have to type all that out !

I write for a living, so I write very, very fast. I also trained for an early job under the old Secretarial Method where you were tested for your typing speed! It also helps that I know the Markle story backwards, and that took me just five minutes to write including edits.

If I had known it was not a serious question, I would not have gone into such detail, but perhaps my post can help those who may wish to understand the details from a human side, and not just at the surface level.

The Markles, for all their dysfunction, are nowhere near what we saw with Charles and Camilla and how they then treated the teenage Diana. That will always be to me the most cruel slice of history in the Windsor family.

Again, it was not the pictures that caused the estrangement.

Just to mention that something was clearly already going on though, because before all the details set out above by MrsMaxDeWinter, which started right before the wedding, Harry had never met Thomas.

The Markles, for all their dysfunction, are nowhere near what we saw with Charles and Camilla and how they then treated the teenage Diana. That will always be to me the most cruel slice of history in the Windsor family.

Agree

'I would argue that it’s none of our business and it isn’t in the public’s interest to know. Anyone else feel as though this thread is dehumanising Meghan?'

I would argue that's its none of our business what Harry thinks about the rf and it certainly wasn't in the public's interest to hear about a tussle that ended up with him sat in the dog bowl <think that was in the book not that ive read it obviously as Max pointed out, though the many many clips do allow me to voice my opinion thanks>.

Harold has tried to dehumanise the rf with all his pontificating. Fortunately they're too cool for his tabloid gossip and haven't ever retaliated. Rising above it as always and seeming far more superior for it.

Not straying into dehumanising other people here, by any chance ?

Precisely @Serenster

Thomas has said they were talking but distant while Meghan lived in Toronto. He has also talked fondly of Trevor Engelson, as did Ninaki Priddy, and said he didn't know why Meghan divorced him.

I would be hurt and disappointed if my father and best friend kept sticking up for a man with whom I had ended a marriage, because after all, who knows what goes on between two people.

I suspect their relationship was affected by that, and she didn't want him rabbiting on about Trevor to Harry, so kept them apart. As we have seen, he has no filter, so in that she knows her father well!

I also trained for an early job under the old Secretarial Method where you were tested for your typing speed!

And me @MrsMaxDeWinter I sometimes do an online typing speed test and I haven't lost it. You don't lose it, my DSis in her 70s is speedy speedy too.

Pitmans Shorthand too!

I agree about the Diana treatment ... as a RR called it 'hire a womb'. Just so dreadful.

That's the mysterious bit

'The Markles, for all their dysfunction, are nowhere near what we saw with Charles and Camilla and how they then treated the teenage Diana. That will always be to me the most cruel slice of history in the Windsor family.'

I blame the Spencers tbh. Someone should've looked after her, one of her sisters should've had a word with Charles and said she was very immature, vulnerable and would not cope with life in a goldfish bowl especially as it was apparently well known he was still in love with Camilla but they all seemed to egg her on and want the excitement of a big royal wedding. Like another grasping family weve been discussing..

I bet he was too fat, too common, too socially different ie not posh at all. The faux outrage at the pap farce was probably secretly a welcome excuse to instigate the whole nc thing.

@MrsMaxDeWinter what a helpful summary, I didn't know the half of it.

Families, schfamilies... may s/he who has the perfect one throw the first stone.

That said, the 3 Markles have set a global low in their crass, racist, victimisation and monetisation of Meghan. The hypocrisy of Thomas Markle harping on about family when he's never seen any of his other grandchildren, his monstrous first kids, blackface video-making Thomas Jr and leech Samantha (who is estranged from her own daughter), whose ghastly treatment of Meghan (who is also his own flesh and blood) he greedily condones for money, to the point that even his ex-wife Jocelyn claims he's an 'awful' father.... what a despicable lot.

Likewise, I too will never forget how Charles and Camilla, both in their thirties, treated the teenage Diana, and all the lurid stuff about tampons, etc etc. The posters here claiming we should look to the RF for "class" are simply trying to ignore the pizza-express sweating, suitcases of cash etc etc present, and attempting to rewrite history.

It won't work.

@Janiie

To the contrary, it is very much in the public interest to know that the future King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and 12 overseas realms, and potential head of the Commonwealth, a global organisation, is willing to resort to domestic violence when he does not get his way.

Just as it was in the public interest in the 90s to learn that the future king of Bla Bla you fill in the rest was a confessed adulterer, who, with his mistress, cruelly manipulated a teenage girl he did not love, which would not have mattered if he was not also future head of the Church of England.

Similarly, it was very much in the public interest to know that Andrew consorted with convicted sex offenders, to the point of having pictures taken with them in Balmoral, and invite them to his daughter's 18th birthday party.

And it is in the public interest to know that there is a senior royal who "raised concerns" about the skin colour of the child of a mixed race woman.

These people are not elected, they can't be voted out, and their claim to their position is an old statute and a belief they are anointed by the God of one particular branch of the Christian church.

So yes it is in the public interest to know that among them is an adulterer, a man who pals with sex offenders, and a man who resorts to violence to get his point across or a potential racist. Particularly when they conspire with the press to hide all of this and throw under the bus those who not considered important. I mean honestly, that "Meghan Made Kate" cry thing was treated with more hysteria in the press than all Andrew's misdeeds.

(After the recent comments of the former head of Sky News about how the royal family manipulates the press, I think it's time for another royals and the press thread, and I am happy to do the honours!)

Just to point out Spare is an autobiography not a piece of investigative journalism… even Harry admits it’s his truth, not THE truth. It should be approached with the same critical eye as any other autobiography.

o the contrary, it is very much in the public interest to know that the future King of England is willing to resort to spot of domestic violence when he does not get his way

Just as it was in the public interest in the 90s to learn that the future king of England was a confessed adultery, which would not have mattered if he was not also future head of the Church of England.
😂😂
For someone who is so keen on accuracy, you post about the future king of England. That's even less accurate than sausages talk in 'Spare'. You're just messing with me aren't you.

Diana was definitely dehumanised. She was a commodity, even as she lay dying.

@Derxa,

Happily, we now have an edit function, and because I type REALLY fast, and without my glasses, I always edit my posts after typing them.

If you look again at the post, you will find all the typos fixed, with EDITED appearing under them.

Making two typos, and correcting them immediately, is not in the same category as hearing a story on GBNews or THE SUN, then posting in scorn because you think it was from SPARE, then refusing to acknowledge that actually, you were wrong, and instead, deflecting to mock me for two typos that I fixed even as you were posting.

(After the recent comments of the former head of Sky News about how the royal family manipulates the press, I think it's time for another royals and the press thread, and I am happy to do the honours!)

Yes, please @MrsMaxDeWinter