Thomas Markle is back - right after the Invictus Games

[beatan]

What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909

he is not called Harold, Harry /Henry

I am being very polite, with no wish to be snarky.

What I said above is quite clear.

I never said he should have access to the children. I think his son and daughter and the media are using him, which is itself abusive. I never said meghan should forgive him or allow him into her life, and I certainly did not condone his behaviour. I just pointed out there could have been reasons and we should show more understanding in case it is due to a medical condition. Unfortunately for Meghan making speeches about kindness and family and forgiveness come across as hypocritical if she is showing none of this to the father who raised her.

The last sentence is simply to say, if Meghan doesn't wish to forgive her own father or have contact with her mothers extended family, she is quite entitled to do that. However the hypocrisy comes in when she then lectures other people to do what she is not doing. Basically don't give word salad speeches with a hypocritical basis. So my statement is not contradictory. Its simple. Don't lecture other people...aka do as I say, not as I do. Clear? I have also not seen one person on this thread defend TM. I'm certainly not, I'm just trying to be understanding.

Regarding TMs mental state. I only hypothesised why a previously loving father would go full on psycho stalker. I did not say he had open heart surgery @Roussette said this. The science is quite definitive when it comes to the affect of heart attacks and strokes on mental health. I did not say this excuses the appalling behaviour because it doesn't, neither does it minimise the affect on the receiver. If this issue had been handled well in the beginning by both parties and by harry and meghan meeting with him very early on and laying down guidelines, it may have all been avoided.

I agree completely with the posters who say (as I've said previously) they are all as bad as one another. Harry and Meghan selling family secrets and trashing the royal family, thomas markle and his DC trashing harry and meghan... all making dirty money from betraying their families and cashing in. Harry imo is the worst of the lot. He has betrayed his father, brother, SIL, grandmother, his country and the military. He is spiteful and petty and a disgrace to his heritage.

What if all of these people, who are actual members of the RF, saying more or less the same thing over decades about life in the RF are telling the truth? What if the way the institution is run is actually damaging to the members of the RF (and looking at Princess Margaret, Prince Andrew and Prince Harry, it is difficult to see how it is not)? What if all of these people, again, saying more or less the same thing, desperately want the institution to change and be more welcoming to newcomers for example, rather than just allowing women who marry in to be hounded and abused by the press 'because everyone has to go through it' and get rid of some of the rules and regulations that are unnecessary and tiresome? What if they don't want courtiers to behave like they do? Do we all just pearl clutch about how terrible it was that these things were publicised rather than ask what we want from these people in their guilded cage? They may have regretted saying it after the fact (probably because the benefits of being part of the RF massively outweigh the perceived hardships) but it doesn't mean that what they said wasn't true. I suspect that we will be going through the same thing with the next generation.

My post is to @colourwheelofortune

@Roussette I at no time mentioned open heart surgery. You did. I will go back and find your entry, please do not accuse me of lying.

Nobodies grandparents are forever - nor parents. This is such a stupid dull argument.

@Roussette So at 15.26 Yesterday you wrote

Why do you keep talking about open heart surgery???

I never said anywhere he had open heart surgery I said people who have heart attacks often have stents fitted or heart surgery.

TM had multiple stents fitted. By a surgeon. Not the hospital porter.

Because you said this

"Don't forget to read the second article on the physical effects of arteriosclerosis, plaque formation and its affect on the brain, during open heart surgery. Its very relevant"

As I have said continually having stents fitted bears no relation at all to open heart surgery

TM had multiple stents fitted. By a surgeon. Not the hospital porter

Having had a DH who has undergone angioplasty procedures, I am quite aware it's not performed by a hospital porter 🥺

I am ending my conversation with you now

It really isn't. My experiences with my granny, aunts, uncles and cousins will be in my memory for ever. If I was fed up with my parents, I would go and visit one of them and get things off my chest or just have a good laugh. I didn't need therapy nor did I write a book about it. My dad's father died before I was born and I would have dearly liked to have met him.

@Roussette I did not say TM had open heart surgery.

The comment you quote does not relate to TM it relates to the article because heart surgery of any kind can cause emotional disregulation. It relates to the article

@derxa whereas both of my Dad's parents died when he was young and before any of his 4 kids were born. He would like me to have known his mum but absolutely not his Dad. How has my life been impacted by not knowing his parents? It hasn't. I'm not sad about.

I suspect that we will be going through the same thing with the next generation.

Consiudering the criticism the current generation receive from posters criticising them for being lazy and workshy because they appear to be prioritising being hands on, present parents (rather than the absent and/or warring generation before them), it seems to me that that is exactly the outcome people want. Or, if you want change, support it maybe?

How has my life been impacted by not knowing his parents? But it has impacted your life. One of your GPs might have given an invaluable insight into something. Or wonderful experiences. I hate this 'my little family' attitude on MN. It's insular and stifling

You know nothing about the size of my family, where they are located and whether we are all in contact.

Children do not have a god given right to see family members who have abused their parents. Perhaps parents need to avoid being toxic and then they don't risk losing access to their kids / grandparents.

I'm not like that but life and death happens. I didn't know GFs on either side, both died when I was a baby, GMs in my early teens
You can't help the cards life deals you

I can’t help but feel that Meghan is embarrassed by him, compared to the royal family he’s a fat, messy man without the grace and manners who doesn’t fit in with her sleek image. I think she’s a cold woman glad of the chance to ditch him. I know he has done wrong but it just gives her the excuse she needs.

or have contact with her mothers extended family,

Why did this poster write this twice on this thread? You don't know anything about her mothers side or if she sees them.

Whats wrong with having small families though? Why would that be 'insular and stifling'. What an odd thing to say. The royal family is huge and that is insular and stifling!

Why is Megan constantly criticised for not being in contact with more family when Thomas is getting tea and sympathy? he had barely anything to do with any of his kids and grandkids before his health problems.

The royal family is huge and that is insular and stifling! A lot of them seem to enjoy each other's company and get along brilliantly. Especially the younger members of the family

The last sentence is simply to say, if Meghan doesn't wish to forgive her own father or have contact with her mothers extended family, she is quite entitled to do that. However the hypocrisy comes in when she then lectures other people to do what she is not doing.

No. Meghan does not need to forgive her father. She also does not need to have a relationship with extended family that she for all intents and purposes did not have a close relationship with growing up - that is not unusual in any family and it is very odd that this is something you are trying to criticize her for. In fact - I just went to look it up - Doria herself appears to be the only child of a divorce and part of a blended family with half siblings who live in a different state. Based on a shared parenting arrangement that it is apparent that Doria and Thomas shared when it comes to Meghan, and the fact that they were all established in California, it seems a really strange thing for you bring up.

Lastly you will need to be specific. What has she lectured people about that is hypocritical that she herself is not doing when it comes to family? And when?

Errm, he is actually called Henry 😂

Oh, just realised that might be what you meant. Sorry if that the case, your post was a bit unclear (edited to add that bit)

It also conveniently forgets that Harry's "blood" family is not only limited to the Windsors. There are the - wait for it- Spencers who Harry presumably has a good relationship with seeing as his mother's sisters actually flew to California to attend Lillibet's christening.

TM had multiple stents fitted. By a surgeon. Not the hospital porter.

I suppose the cognitive dissonance for those of us familiar with the procedure know that these procedures are not performed by surgeons but by cardiologists who are not surgeons. But I digress.