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beatan · 2023-09-18T06:15:16+00:00

What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say. [[https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909 https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909]]

Lampzade · 19/09/2023 18:48

TallerSally · 19/09/2023 12:33

I am also shocked by the (luckily few) posters claiming Thomas Markle should "not be denied his right" to see his grandchildren. He's threatened to "sue" Meghan and Harry, no doubt funded by the British media, rubbing their hands at the prospect.

Let him!

If family courts in the US are anything like the UK, the case will be decided based on the best interests of the children, Prince Archie and Princess Lili.

Now let's examine what arguments Thomas Markle and his children can put forward to persuade a judge to grant them access against the will of the children's parents. Let's also think about what safeguarding arguments Child Protective Services social workers will put forward, regarding the risks of exposing the children to Thomas Markle, Samantha Markle and Thomas Markle Junior, what they will likely say to these children and the impact this will have on them, what they will likely do with any pictures and videos taken, what they will say about these children in TV interviews, Thomas Markle's vile YouTube channel, Samantha Markle's next ridiculous book, their twitter posts etc etc.

It's a no-brainer: Thomas Markle isn't suing because it's obvious the only thing he'll end up with is a restraining order against him.

This isn't just about Meghan refusing him access. Any child protection professional or family court judge worth their salt can see that this would not be in the children's best interests.

Absolutely

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 19:16

Thomas Markle had multiple coronary stents put it. All of which releases plaque into the brain. The plaque is solid like the fur in a kettle. Its quite possible it caused some damage and impacted his thinking even before his stroke. I don't believe for one second a strong intelligent feminist woman such as meghan markle would not have been aware that her childhood had been abusive if it had been, so his complete personality change is explainable. Of course I don't know, I never said I did, but neither does anyone except his doctors.

People with brain lesions can undergo significant emotional changes. My late father in law had tiny tumours in his frontal lobe, and a very considerate and polite man suddenly became massively inapropriate around women. As @PrincessOfTigger says, mental disinhibition does not follow the same pattern in everyone.

I never said he should have access to the children. I think his son and daughter and the media are using him, which is itself abusive. I never said meghan should forgive him or allow him into her life, and I certainly did not condone his behaviour. I just pointed out there could have been reasons and we should show more understanding in case it is due to a medical condition. Unfortunately for Meghan making speeches about kindness and family and forgiveness come across as hypocritical if she is showing none of this to the father who raised her.

Janiie · 19/09/2023 19:30

'I never said he should have access to the children. I think his son and daughter and the media are using him, which is itself abusive. I never said meghan should forgive him or allow him into her life, and I certainly did not condone his behaviour. I just pointed out there could have been reasons and we should show more understanding in case it is due to a medical condition. Unfortunately for Meghan making speeches about kindness and family and forgiveness come across as hypocritical if she is showing none of this to the father who raised her.'

This ^

Samcro · 19/09/2023 19:31

So Meghan should just make up with her abusive father because random people on the internet have diagnosed him.
nothing excuses his behaviour .

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 19:36

@Samcro Sorry. This is what I actually put ... I never said meghan should forgive him or allow him into her life, and I certainly did not condone his behaviour. It appears you missed what I wrote

derxa · 19/09/2023 19:38

Samcro · 19/09/2023 19:31

So Meghan should just make up with her abusive father because random people on the internet have diagnosed him.
nothing excuses his behaviour .

Meghan is under no obligation to do anything re her father. It's none of our business. TM is ill advised to be doing these interviews. Are they very lucrative?
I'm just intrigued by what caused this rift. Nobody behaved very well on either side. One of Harry's texts to TM while he was in hospital was not read out in court because it was so abusive. That makes me go hmmmm.

PrincessOfTigger · 19/09/2023 19:39

I don’t have an opinion on TM’s mental health by the way, I was just disagreeing with general points made earlier about mental illness & neurodivergence. It’s my pet peeve. If someone said “well MY dh has broken his foot and HE doesn’t need mechanical ventilation” you’d be like - well that’s not an achievement, obviously dh has a completely different illness. It’s the same with MH and ND!

Roussette · 19/09/2023 19:49

Thomas Markle had multiple coronary stents put it. All of which releases plaque into the brain. The plaque is solid like the fur in a kettle

Are you now agreeing he didn't have 'open heart surgery'?

My DH has had more than one also

Roussette · 19/09/2023 19:52

Are they very lucrative?

Yes @derxa

In 2019 he was paid $80k for a GMB interview
On record

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/09/2023 19:52

Nobody has made any comments on neurodivergence and we know nothing about that regarding Thomas. I don't see how it is relevant here.

Roussette · 19/09/2023 19:53

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/09/2023 19:52

Nobody has made any comments on neurodivergence and we know nothing about that regarding Thomas. I don't see how it is relevant here.

Exactly

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:01

Roussette · 19/09/2023 19:52

Are they very lucrative?

Yes @derxa

In 2019 he was paid $80k for a GMB interview
On record

Fair enough. He shouldn't have done those interviews and he is clearly desperate for money. TM is not winning in life. He's ill. probably broke and probably very lonely. He's a pathetic figure. Reading some of these responses, he is a raging monster. And poor Meghan and her children are in imminent danger. She can just ignore him seeing she is in the journalistic Utopia that is the USA.

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 20:01

@Roussette I'm simply pointing out that regardless, heart surgery has its risks, particularly someone overweight and with poor dietary habits.

Samcro · 19/09/2023 20:02

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/09/2023 19:52

Nobody has made any comments on neurodivergence and we know nothing about that regarding Thomas. I don't see how it is relevant here.

Agreed
not sure of the connection

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 20:03

@Roussette I'm not referring to your DH of course!!.... (must read what I put first!)

Roussette · 19/09/2023 20:05

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 20:01

@Roussette I'm simply pointing out that regardless, heart surgery has its risks, particularly someone overweight and with poor dietary habits.

Not "open heart surgery" which you kept saying. An angioplasty is really not heart surgery. I doubt a Dr would call it that. Yes it's a procedure but could not be more removed to what you were saying

Having lived through someone who has had open heart surgery twice, it is very very different. He has the scars from the neck to his waist!

Roussette · 19/09/2023 20:06

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 20:03

@Roussette I'm not referring to your DH of course!!.... (must read what I put first!)

👍😊

Tigger1895 · 19/09/2023 20:09

Janiie · 18/09/2023 07:58

It's hard isn it. Markle senior wants to reconcile with his dd, Harry apparently wants to reconcile with his family. These people have to learn that once you've said a load of hurtful crap publicly there's no taking it back, its all very sad.

Who told you that?

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:14

I remember being on the wards assessing and then treating stroke patients. Some of those men and it was usually men had a wide variety of severity of stroke. But what they all had in common was that they lost something of their former love of life and they were often in tears and often angry. Some were clearly nicer than others as you might expect. I had great sympathy for all of them. The consultants would often sweep into a ward with a retinue of students.
Then bark 'Who is the prime minister?' at them. I hope things are different now.

colourwheelofortune · 19/09/2023 20:19

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:14

I remember being on the wards assessing and then treating stroke patients. Some of those men and it was usually men had a wide variety of severity of stroke. But what they all had in common was that they lost something of their former love of life and they were often in tears and often angry. Some were clearly nicer than others as you might expect. I had great sympathy for all of them. The consultants would often sweep into a ward with a retinue of students.
Then bark 'Who is the prime minister?' at them. I hope things are different now.

This reminds me of doing agency on a stroke ward one night. The patient couldn't sleep and said he felt miserable and unkempt. So we gave him a lovely bath, one of the care assistants cut his hair (she had been a hairdresser), a shave, and clean pyjamas. Then a cup of tea and some toast, and he looked like a different man. Always remember that night and how happy he looked.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 19/09/2023 20:22

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:01

Fair enough. He shouldn't have done those interviews and he is clearly desperate for money. TM is not winning in life. He's ill. probably broke and probably very lonely. He's a pathetic figure. Reading some of these responses, he is a raging monster. And poor Meghan and her children are in imminent danger. She can just ignore him seeing she is in the journalistic Utopia that is the USA.

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Glad you finally see that he is a raging monster, who has been paid up to 80 000 for interviews so maybe you can stop "both siding this by saying stuff like "Nobody behaved very well on either side." Sending an angry text message because your father in law created a global shitshow then lied to you about it before your wedding is one thing.

The behaviour of Thomas Markle is off the scale, getting paid to praise the royal family while trashing his daughter, discussing whether she had teenage abortions with conspiracy theorists, making jokes about her with his racist children on national TV, offering to testify against her in not one but two cases ...

@colourwheelofortune I hope you get it now, You can talk all you want about mental health, this is about greed. He does not love his daughter. This is not love.

As for this:

I never said he should have access to the children. I think his son and daughter and the media are using him, which is itself abusive. I never said meghan should forgive him or allow him into her life, and I certainly did not condone his behaviour. I just pointed out there could have been reasons and we should show more understanding in case it is due to a medical condition. Unfortunately for Meghan making speeches about kindness and family and forgiveness come across as hypocritical if she is showing none of this to the father who raised her.
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You seem to want Meghan to let that abusive man into her life, and have access to her children. Because you say on the one hand "I never said Meghan should forgive him" and in the same paragraph say "Meghan making speeches about forgiveness is hypocritical."

Society agrees that forgiveness and redemption are important. Everyone deserves a second chance. But we also agree on accountability, and atonement. A person who wrongs another cannot expect to leap straight to forgiveness without going through the accountability and atonement part.

Thomas Markle categorically said in the most recent interview that he did not do anything wrong, and the people who interviewed him said the same. There is nothing to forgive where there is no atonement.

With every interview, Thomas confirms that his daughter was right to cut him off.

Forgiveness is a gift. It can never be a demand.

TallerSally · 19/09/2023 20:23

Remember this?

How come GMB isn't interviewing Roslyn Loveless ex Markle?

... ah yes, it's because she was MARRIED to Thomas Markle, so might just know a thing or two more about him than the posters in this thread, and she thinks he's a d*ckhead!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/meghan-fool-let-dad-thomas-markle-baby-archies-life-says-ex-wife-9497901/

Meghan is 'fool' to let dad Thomas Markle in newborn Archie's life, says ex-wife

Roslyn Markle described her former husband as an 'awful father'.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/meghan-fool-let-dad-thomas-markle-baby-archies-life-says-ex-wife-9497901

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:25

Sending an angry text message because your father in law created a global shitshow then lied to you about it before your wedding is one thing.
TM was in hospital at the time.

Janiie · 19/09/2023 20:30

'who has been paid up to 80 000 for interviews '

Pales into comparison when Harry has been paid millions for gossiping about his family.

Either support folk for airing their grievances for cash to the highest bidder or don't.

Janiie · 19/09/2023 20:33

derxa · 19/09/2023 20:25

Sending an angry text message because your father in law created a global shitshow then lied to you about it before your wedding is one thing.
TM was in hospital at the time.

'Created a global shit show'! They did that all by themselves. He stupidly staged some media photos, hardly crime of the century.

If they'd got him on side before their bbc interview <or itv> and the glam engagement photo shoot i bet it could all have been avoided.