Thomas Markle is back - right after the Invictus Games

[beatan]

What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909

Abuse cannot be excused due to mental illness, a heart attack or a stroke. The people they are abusing do not need to submit to their demands for access just because they have a health issue.

Spoiling her in the process throughout her childhood.

So -- let's establish this. Taking care of and providing for a chid you brought into the world is spoiling her, or is that only when its Thomas raising Meghan? Do mixed race children deserve to receive no support, such that basic things like paying for the best education you can pay for your child, giving her toys to play with, is equated to spoiling? Did Kate's parents spoil her by sending her to private school? Why do we never hear of spoiling used in his context? Why is the standard different?

You still have not said why he wants to see one set of grandkids and not the other.

Perhaps, in the same way he did not believe his daughter was mentally struggling, and told Piers so, she too does not believe he is struggling.

Lots and lots of people have mental health issues and don't become abusive to their loved ones and millions have heart attacks without changing character

⬆️ This

I don't get it. My DH had the same diagnosis and procedures (angioplasty) as TM. He's exactly the same kind man he always was

It's bullshit to blame his awful behaviour in chasing the next dollar on his health

Spoiling her in the process throughout her childhood.

I will repeat - feeding, clothing, housing and ensuring a good education for your children is not spoiling them. Using this language about Thomas’ actual basic responsibilities as a parent is interesting.

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Honestly , the lengths that some people will go to blame Meghan for the treatment she has received

You had the same thought as me.

Kate and her siblings were raised by their parents.

Meghan was spoilt by her father.

Very revealing, these terms posters use!

I'll not respond to the goading. Spoiling is just a general term to mean she was given everything she wanted. As several of you admit he clothed, fed, privately educated her and so on, so hardly the abusive childhood some have previously alluded to, and certainly not a neglectful parent.

Regarding the personality change, maybe these will prove educational https://heartsurgeryinfo.com/emotional-side-effects-of-open-heart-surgery/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7431556/

Mentally ill/unstable people can be abusive, suicidal, depressed, withdrawn, caring, and a host of other emotions.

Don't forget to read the second article on the physical effects of arteriosclerosis, plaque formation and its affect on the brain, during open heart surgery. Its very relevant.

But I can see I'm not getting through, so once again, I'm out

Update yourself on language used about people with mental health issues. People " can" be all or some of these things, people without any mental health issues can also be these things

The article you attached talks about depression, doesn't mention anything about TMs behaviour

The underlying issue is that people will fabricate any excuse re his behaviour do that Meghan looks bad for going NC with him, how does it benefit her in any way?

If a poster came onto MN and described TMs behaviour they would be told to go NC or LTB but somehow when it is happening to Meghan ( a young woman of colour) she is wrong to do this

Why are you making excuses for TM that he hasn’t even made himself?
If any of your theories, that’s what they are, were even remotely true, he’d have been the first to tell everyone.

Why do you keep talking about open heart surgery???

He had angioplasty procedure the same as my DH and I can assure you it is nothing remotely like open heart surgery which my nephew went through.

It is inserted via the groin, my DH was in overnight, TM three days but I imagine he had to be monitored due to his weight so was in longer than my DH. For some it is a same day procedure

Your article is not relevant

Can we please stop with this frankly ludicrous line of argument that inexcusable behaviour should be accommodated just because the perp is allegedly mentally ill?

Firstly, unless a poster is Thomas Markle's personal psychiatrist, which is unlikely as they'd be bound by confidentiality, not a single person here can credibly assert that he is mentally ill.

Then even if he were, that's also the case with countless child abusers, violent criminals etc the world over who have been diagnosed with PTSD, antisocial personality disorders, schizophrenia etc. Should we send Prince Archie and Princess Lili to spend weekends with them too?

Get real...

You have clearly not been on Mumsnet long @colourwheelofortune .

Allow me to point you to a long running thread called "but we took you to Stately Homes."

Providing materially for a child does not rule out emotional abuse.
You keep using Thomas Markle's talking points then diagnosing him with conditions you do not know he has to excuse the behaviour we have all seen.

My favourite video today was the TMZ guys going, dude: they don't want you around.

This is why he goes to the UK and Australia. Americans would see through the fakery in a minute !

Children get removed and taken into care EVERY WEEK in the UK from parents suffering from mental health conditions. Yet some posters here think suffering from MHC is a reason to orchestrate contact between the sufferers and young children!??

Thank goodness for the Prince Archie and Princess Lili and the children of this world that these posters aren't the ones making safeguarding decisions regarding them!

Again, the children's welfare comes first. Children are not therapy pets for aging grandparents (allegedly) suffering from mental health conditions.

Unbelievable...

@TallerSally It's all them heart attacks....

Spoiling is just a general term to mean she was given everything she wanted.

An example of this would be helpful (hopefully it’s not allowing her to enrol in and participate in extracurricular activities)

As several of you admit he clothed, fed, privately educated her and so on, so hardly the abusive childhood some have previously alluded to, and certainly not a neglectful parent.

Not one poster has said that she had had an abusive childhood nor have they said that he was a neglectful parent.

Regarding the personality change, maybe these will prove educational

You seem not to understand - no one should be subject to harm caused by someone struggling with physical illness or a mental illness. No one is saying that it does not happen. Many people with mental health issues which have caused them to harm loved ones have taken responsibility for their actions by getting the help they need and only then seeking amends. There are millions of people with irreversible conditions like dementia in care homes because their care is too much for their caretakers due to a variety of issues not limited to verbal, emotional and physical abuse. Once again - you cannot force people to engage with people who are being abusive to them just because they have chronic disease.

'Can we please stop with this frankly ludicrous line of argument that inexcusable behaviour should be accommodated just because the perp is allegedly mentally ill?'

I know. As if Harry's wellbeing issues are a reason for years of personal attacks on his poor family. Oh sorry are we still pretending the situation with Markle Senior is completely different?

Harry was afterall just sharing his lovely life stories and not having non stop public pity parties whilst blaming his whole family for all his miseries <but not the Queen as his 'close relationship' with her was his USP and earnt him his Netflix paycheck>

Maybe Meghan stepped away to look after her own mental health.
your father that you love publicly blackmailing you, keeping company with a racist son who does black face and other awful stuff. Also people who say your children don’t exist. That can’t be good for her mental health.
yet the same few posters think she should and that her abusive father is a victim. There is a word for that, but mn hq would delete me.(even though it’s used as a description of this behaviour every where else)

Heart surgery can cause multiple tiny strokes as it releases plaque into the brain in elderly people. When it hits the frontal lobes it can cause emotional dysregulation and disinhibition.

Or bankbalanceobsession.

This is when you're constantly looking at your bank account and wishing there was more money in it.

I don’t agree with the way people are talking about mental illness and neurodivergence. People with unmanaged MH conditions they have no control over can cause significant harm to others. It is one of the great tragedies of mental illness that leaves people isolated. Even mild conditions can lead to one rationalising something they did that hurt someone else. Also (and I’m surprised this needs to be said?) not all conditions are the same. So the fact dWhatever with mild anxiety isn’t engaging in enormously destructive behaviours against you says nothing about what a person in the throes of psychosis “should” be able to do. Quite often the people who need the most help have caused the most damage. I have no idea about TM but as a ND person and someone who has struggled with MH, including being at the receiving end of someone going through PP psychosis, I had to say this. You can’t expect all mental illnesses or ND to be internalised or mild. It’s an enormous spectrum.

Samantha Markle’s comment is disgusting.
Jealousy is such a horrible spirit ..,