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What does Prince harry mean by this in his speech at the Wellchild Awards?

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Mornusting · 07/09/2023 20:35

"As you also probably know, she would have been the first person to insist that I still come to be with you all instead of going to her."

He is referring to the Queen.

Is he saying this is why he is not at Balmoral with the rest of the RF? Is this what he means by "going to her"?

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:10

@Mornusting

If the chapel had been closed just for Harry to pay his respects to his grandparents, you would have been here moaning about it.

And of course you have no problem with Kate and William grinning maniacally at all the tourists outside St David's in Wales!

smilesy · 11/09/2023 10:13

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:01

@secretpath

Yes, indeed. William and Kate took a helicopter to Wales for a ten minute church service at which they were apparently the only attendees, followed by solemnly laying flowers in front of a picture of the Queen that sat on a chair, before helicoptering back home.

Perhaps that's the Royal Protocol, but I much preferred Charles and Camilla quietly attending an actual church service, and Harry quietly paying respects at St George's Chapel.

Both seemed more sincere and organic.

They arrived by helicopter, but they didn’t go straight home, they went to another engagement in Pembrokeshire afterwards.
and Kate mark anniversary of Queen's death in Pembrokeshire www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66749102 See here

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 10:13

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:01

@secretpath

Yes, indeed. William and Kate took a helicopter to Wales for a ten minute church service at which they were apparently the only attendees, followed by solemnly laying flowers in front of a picture of the Queen that sat on a chair, before helicoptering back home.

Perhaps that's the Royal Protocol, but I much preferred Charles and Camilla quietly attending an actual church service, and Harry quietly paying respects at St George's Chapel.

Both seemed more sincere and organic.

You have misunderstood the concept of a sovereign state which is made up of several countries - it is protocol that each country is involved in the accession of a monarch and the death and memorial of a monarch in the UK.

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 10:14

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:10

@Mornusting

If the chapel had been closed just for Harry to pay his respects to his grandparents, you would have been here moaning about it.

And of course you have no problem with Kate and William grinning maniacally at all the tourists outside St David's in Wales!

How can you say what I would have thought? Now you are being silly. Please don't presume to know my thoughts.

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smilesy · 11/09/2023 10:21

Messed up the link. and Kate mark anniversary of Queen's death in Pembrokeshire www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66749102 See here

Samcro · 11/09/2023 10:22

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 09:56

Yet again @Samcro

The posters who claim this thread is about Well Child studiously ignore @MopeAndGlory's lovely post which you kindly reshared!

It seems nothing good can be said about Harry.

And @Mornusting there was no event for him to attend at Balmoral so there was no need for him to give an excuse. He paid his respects to his grandmother the next day.

its like a child playing lets pretend. pretending the thread is about one thing, when everyone really knows what the agenda really is

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:26

I can say that based on your posts in this thread @Mornusting.

You have misunderstood the concept of a sovereign state which is made up of several countries - it is protocol that each country is involved in the accession of a monarch and the death and memorial of a monarch in the UK.

I have not misunderstood anything thank you, because as far as I see, no member of the Royal Family did anything to commemorate the Queen in Northern Ireland or England for that matter.

So you are talking through your hat: it was announced ages ago that there would be no formal events, but that the Waleses would do something on behalf of the family. As it happens, C and C did go to church in Scotland, Harry laid his flowers, and there were many lovely written tributes but there were no formal memorial events at all, and certainly not in the several countries, as you claim.

Harry doesn't count, obviously, because of the tourists you object to who saw him in England after laying flowers where his grandparents are buried, but of course it's fine that tourists saw K and W in Wales after they laid flowers in front of a picture on a chair!!

Angrycat2768 · 11/09/2023 10:42

secretpath · 11/09/2023 09:37

But if he was referring to last year, why would he want to imply that he was going against his grandmother's preferences in not attending well-child?

It's clearly, to me that he was saying she wouldn't have wanted him to make a fuss about her and put his duty first. It's a fairly common thing for people to say about old people when they are ill or dying. The whole speech has been posted here and is perfectly fine in context.

Angrycat2768 · 11/09/2023 10:45

Mornusting · 11/09/2023 10:05

@MrsMaxDeWinter Harry with all the tourists there too?

Is he never allowed to visit his grandparents graves then? Because Windsor Castle is always crawling with tourists, and St George's Chapel is open to the public.

BadgerB · 11/09/2023 11:17

MrsMaxDeWinter · Today 09:56

It seems nothing good can be said about Harry.

How true. I, for one, have not been able to think of anything good to say about him for quite some time.
(and, yes, I know you didn't man it like that, MrsM)

Serenster · 11/09/2023 11:20

Harry doesn't count, obviously, because of the tourists you object to who saw him in England after laying flowers where his grandparents are buried, but of course it's fine that tourists saw K and W in Wales after they laid flowers in front of a picture on a chair!!

It wasn’t tourists who saw Harry leaving St George’s Chapel, as he visited before the Castle was opened to the public (in order that he could have a private visit, which is fair enough if paying your respects to close family members at the venue which is not always private). But yes, someone was perfectly positioned to snap a picture of him leaving from his private visit. A happy coincidence for Harry, no doubt.

secretpath · 11/09/2023 11:22

Yes, maybe angrycat.

But if he did mean last year then that implies to me that he ignored his grandmother's preference for him to go to the wellchild event rather than go to Balmoral. And it seems that he was very keen to get to Balmoral (and ahead of the other grandchildren bar William).

That doesn't seem so likely which is why I plump for him making reference to this year rather than last.

Of course, it also may be 'just words' rather than having a deliberately intended reference to either this year or last. He's not really a wordsmith as far as I can tell. But the ambiguity means that people (like me) will pore over his words wondering exactly what he meant, so more speech writing support might be a good idea for him going forward.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 11:27

But yes, someone was perfectly positioned to snap a picture of him leaving from his private visit. A happy coincidence for Harry, no doubt.

More a happy coincidence for you and others who now have something else to throw at him. How dare he walk into the chapel when there were people outside! He should have gone at midnight, when no creature was stirring, not even a mouse!

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 11:32

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:26

I can say that based on your posts in this thread @Mornusting.

You have misunderstood the concept of a sovereign state which is made up of several countries - it is protocol that each country is involved in the accession of a monarch and the death and memorial of a monarch in the UK.

I have not misunderstood anything thank you, because as far as I see, no member of the Royal Family did anything to commemorate the Queen in Northern Ireland or England for that matter.

So you are talking through your hat: it was announced ages ago that there would be no formal events, but that the Waleses would do something on behalf of the family. As it happens, C and C did go to church in Scotland, Harry laid his flowers, and there were many lovely written tributes but there were no formal memorial events at all, and certainly not in the several countries, as you claim.

Harry doesn't count, obviously, because of the tourists you object to who saw him in England after laying flowers where his grandparents are buried, but of course it's fine that tourists saw K and W in Wales after they laid flowers in front of a picture on a chair!!

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There is really no comparison between the two events. I don't think it is me talking through my hat.

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DuchessOfPort · 11/09/2023 11:36

If I saw any celeb walking through a door, I wouldn’t be fast enough to take a snap with my phone. That was a highly convenient photo of Harry released. Well done that photographer.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 11:36

You have misunderstood the concept of a sovereign state which is made up of several countries - it is protocol that each country is involved in the accession of a monarch and the death and memorial of a monarch in the UK.

Do please let us know of the events that were held according to protocol in the several countries as memorials for the Queen.

I am all ears.

Thanks.

Angrycat2768 · 11/09/2023 13:02

DuchessOfPort · 11/09/2023 11:36

If I saw any celeb walking through a door, I wouldn’t be fast enough to take a snap with my phone. That was a highly convenient photo of Harry released. Well done that photographer.

If you had your phone out because, I don't know, you were a tourist at a tourist attraction or something, it would take seconds to take a photo of a celeb!

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 13:29

Do Harry and Meghan have an active Instagram or website? Not a business one but one where they have posted a tribute to the Queen on the anniversary of her death?

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Roussette · 11/09/2023 13:33

Mornusting · 11/09/2023 13:29

Do Harry and Meghan have an active Instagram or website? Not a business one but one where they have posted a tribute to the Queen on the anniversary of her death?

Is that a new criticism of them? Just wondering

Whatever they did would be wrong but I think the answer is no

LindorDoubleChoc · 11/09/2023 13:33

It's a bit odd to say his grandmother would be the first to say he should be at the Well Child event. He missed it last year for understandable reasons. He's not going to miss it two years in a row. She's dead, she doesn't know where he is. I think he must have mis-read something.

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 13:40

Roussette · 11/09/2023 13:33

Is that a new criticism of them? Just wondering

Whatever they did would be wrong but I think the answer is no

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I really don't know the answer. I am aware of Archewell and I am aware of a Sussex Royal instagram but think that ceased in 2020. There may be a new one but genuinely don't know. It would see odd though that after naming their daughter after the Queen there has been no statement by the pair of them on the anniversary of her death.

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Mornusting · 11/09/2023 13:42

I do understand that they would get slated either way - how dare they after what they put the queen through while alive or the opposite that they have no respect blah blah.

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Daisyislazy · 11/09/2023 13:50

I don't think there is any huge hidden meaning in what he said. He couldn't attend an event near her anniversary date without mentioning her and I think he wanted to reiterate that she always put duty first

LaMarschallin · 11/09/2023 15:39

Serenster · 11/09/2023 09:03

  • I bring in other matters relevant to the overall theme I am discussing.
  • You derail
  • They are simply indulging in irrelevant whataboutery.

That’s how it goes, doesn’t it? No change from usual….

I always like an irregular verb Smile

Samcro · 11/09/2023 16:53

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 10:01

@secretpath

Yes, indeed. William and Kate took a helicopter to Wales for a ten minute church service at which they were apparently the only attendees, followed by solemnly laying flowers in front of a picture of the Queen that sat on a chair, before helicoptering back home.

Perhaps that's the Royal Protocol, but I much preferred Charles and Camilla quietly attending an actual church service, and Harry quietly paying respects at St George's Chapel.

Both seemed more sincere and organic.

They used a helicopter?
i thought William was doing earth shot. Surely he wouldn’t have done that

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