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What does Prince harry mean by this in his speech at the Wellchild Awards?

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Mornusting · 07/09/2023 20:35

"As you also probably know, she would have been the first person to insist that I still come to be with you all instead of going to her."

He is referring to the Queen.

Is he saying this is why he is not at Balmoral with the rest of the RF? Is this what he means by "going to her"?

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PrincessOfTigger · 10/09/2023 17:02

@Mornusting maybe let’s try again… pages 2-17 never happened… what did you think of the speech? 😂

Mornusting · 10/09/2023 17:03

I've had such a busy weekend including a trip to Windsor 🤐I'm pages behind with all of this.

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PrincessOfTigger · 10/09/2023 17:04

Mornusting · 10/09/2023 17:03

I've had such a busy weekend including a trip to Windsor 🤐I'm pages behind with all of this.

Did you see Harry? Apparently he popped into Windsor too!

Mornusting · 10/09/2023 17:15

PrincessOfTigger · 10/09/2023 17:04

Did you see Harry? Apparently he popped into Windsor too!

My lips are sealed 🤔

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StormzyinaTCup · 10/09/2023 17:19

Mornusting · 10/09/2023 17:15

My lips are sealed 🤔

So are mine🫢

LadyKenya · 10/09/2023 17:22

ThreeBearsPorridge · 10/09/2023 17:01

It is quite possible to ignore all the racism comments and just keep posting.

Feel free to do so. Imagine if we all just wilfully ignored things that we felt did not affect us, such as misogyny/ sexism...oh wait!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/09/2023 17:36

StormzyinaTCup · 10/09/2023 16:17

Read my post properly - I have not said it can't be discussed on MN, I have said it can't be discussed in an intelligent and rational way on MN. If I wanted to have that conversation it would not be on here. I actually would go as far as to say how it is approached and discussed on MN is actually counter productive. Just my opinion.

Your post was perfectly clear, Stormzy, but I expect the way it was twisted is the sort of thing you meant in saying this isn't the best forum for discussing these very important issues

That's not to say they shouldn't be discussed, and anyway it's not the place of any of us to make up our own Talk Guidelines; it's just that the ceaseless personal attacks and deliberate (?) misinterpretations are more easily avoided elsewhere

StormzyinaTCup · 10/09/2023 17:52

Spot on @Puzzledandpissedoff

I am having the conversation but I choose to have it on another site for the reasons I stated above in my post and the reasons you mention, the twisting and deliberate misinterpretations. Not got any time for that sort of nonsense on what is an important subject.

Daisyislazy · 10/09/2023 18:13

@StormzyinaTCup looks like MN disagrees with you

@Puzzledandpissedoff I didn't twist it, it's exactly what was said

StormzyinaTCup · 10/09/2023 18:53

@Daisyislazy I have corresponded with MN and I'm cool. If anything I think it proves my point nicely and I can rest my case👍.

Sorry for the derail OP.

upinaballoon · 10/09/2023 18:55

Mornusting · 10/09/2023 17:03

I've had such a busy weekend including a trip to Windsor 🤐I'm pages behind with all of this.

Did you go to the town of Windsor only, or into the castle as well?

DarkDarkNight · 10/09/2023 19:08

User353463 · 07/09/2023 21:31

The RF are very smart. They know Harry has Netflix breathing down his neck and he needs footage of other family members to fulfil his part of the multi-million contract. Entertainment execs always knew the true money spinner would a royal version of the Kardashians with exclusive, candid footage of various RF members at the coronation, Balmoral, public events, private events etc. They are receiving none of that and are almost certainly cancelling the deal next year.

I’m sure Netflix know they will have no access to senior members of the Royal Family like Charles and William. Harry and Meghan would not have promised that and the Royal Family would never have agreed to it. What a ridiculous comment.

WinnieTheW0rm · 10/09/2023 19:20

Well, there's a limit to what they can do for Netflix (Ms Havisham and that book they've bought the rights to) because of the strikes.

I don't know how far documentary making is affected (they'd also need some script) but I've not heard that they have any plans at present for further ones

MrsFinkelstein · 10/09/2023 19:26

Iwantcakeeveryday · 10/09/2023 16:25

I’ve never seen anything like this on other boards here on MN or other Internet forums elsewhere.

Its because of what the royal family represents to some cultures and countries that you'll always see it here. We also always see immediate responses from posters who support the British monarchy objecting to any mention of racism, even when relevant. This discussion has barely been about actual racism, and most of it is posters repeatedly saying it shouldn't;t come up so often. I think without these immediate objections the conversation would not focus on racism long, its the immediate responses objecting to even a single comment that drags it out.

I've been on other forums which discuss the RF. It only ever happens on MN.

LindorDoubleChoc · 10/09/2023 19:52

The thread is literally about Harry's recent speech and his reference to his Grandmother. It should have stopped when / if anyone could translate what he was trying and failing to say. Racism and the Royal Family and Meghan and the press has already been done hundreds of times on Mumsnet. Surely.

queentim · 10/09/2023 20:23

Iwantcakeeveryday · 10/09/2023 15:52

To clarify, once again, the first mention of racism was when a poster was criticising Meghan for 'ruthlessly' cutting off the Markle side of her family. One or two posters say, hey actually they're racist, and then immediately someone says: don't mention it or you're giving them power and promoting it. No link to that video was shared. It was simply a few comments.

That's how the discussion on racism started. One or two comments merely making factual statements that clarified what that family is like. That was all it took for all these comments accusing poc of constantly going on about racism, lying about it and indeed who they are. None of this was directed at the jewish poster discussing anti semitism.

Theres nothing in MN guidelines that say racism can;t be discussed on this forum. It is wrong to tell poc where they can speak and how. If you are uncomfortable talking about racism, then you might want to ask yourself why that is. Most of the posts have been about how bad it is racism was raised, not about racism itself. Maybe if you didn't object so strongly the conversation would end sooner.

👏👏 👏

Precisely.

queentim · 10/09/2023 20:28

DarkDarkNight · 10/09/2023 19:08

I’m sure Netflix know they will have no access to senior members of the Royal Family like Charles and William. Harry and Meghan would not have promised that and the Royal Family would never have agreed to it. What a ridiculous comment.

Netflix has been the boogeyman of royal supporters for 3 years now.

It's quite hilarious

ALittleTeawithmilk · 11/09/2023 00:02

In a world that is riven by racism I find it strange that people think there should be places where it shouldn’t be talked about.

But at any rate, part of the reason Meghan left the UK was because of racism. Her own white family are racist. (Sister called Doria ‘the maid’, brother in black face, father in ‘spotlight’ endorsing them both, tv/media org giving them and their racism access to prime time tv). Its part of Meghan’s experience. And by extension, part of Harry’s (Married to a biracial woman, 2 biracial children)also. Racism is big part of their experience and a big part of the story.

If people don’t want to talk about race, then perhaps don’t post on threads about Meghan and Harry. Personally, I know that I have much more to learn about how racism works. So that I can be more aware if it and it’s many many forms, and be a part of calling it out and not accepting it/fighting it, especially within my own community. I welcome the opportunity I get on here to learn about it from people who experience it every day of their lives.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 06:30

But it wasn’t relevant. The thread was meant to be about Harry’s speech at the Wellchild Awards, a charity for seriously sick kids (actually a very worthy cause).

No, The thread was started to criticise Harry about a comment he made about the Queen at the Well Childs Awards. It is in the title itself, for heaven's sake. As for Well Child being a worthy cause, there have been several posts from a poster who has actually met Harry in connection with her ill child. You and others, including the OP of this thread, have studiously ignored her lovely posts because they don't fit the bashing narrative. So don't try to pretend that this thread is about Well Child, the charity. It's not. It is a thinly veiled attempt to attack Harry for an innocuous comment he made at the awards.

Racism was brought up as a derail, quite successfully I guess, on page 2 in response to fairly minor news that Meghan isn’t attending.

This is demonstrably not true. A poster slammed Meghan for not having "extended family" . I and others pointed out that some of her family had done racist things. A poster then asked why racism had to be brought in all the time, while another posted asserted that to talk of the Markles' racism was not to denounce it but to promote it. You then waded in for reasons still unclear to disparage the experiences of others that you said did not match you own experience of racism. You also started to question posters' bona fides, while declaring your own.

It was actually you who derailed this thread by attacking and minimising the experiences of others. You then gave examples of anti-semitism you faced, but even though that is not the topic of the thread, it's interesting that you don't consider your own posts to be derailing. Only the talk about Meghan's racist family, and racism experienced by black people, is derailing according to you. Talk of anti-semitism however, is not derailing?

We never needed to desperately have a conversation about race and the royal family in the context of a charity for kids they’re not even patrons of.

Again, this thread is not and has never been about Well Child, the charity. It is supposedly about "what Harry meant" in one sentence of his speech, which in fact was so clear it needed no explanation. Meghan who was not there on the night the thread is about was then brought it by a poster, and her extended family, which led to examples of the racism they had displayed, leading you and others to practically dismiss it.

It really does derail so many threads. I wouldn’t even mind MN deleting the thread at this point, it’s gotten kind of silly.

Considering how much you contributed to derailing this thread, it is not entirely unexpected that you would want the thread deleted altogether. Not only have you derailed the thread, you have completely rewritten the history of a thread that is still here for all to read. Of course you want it gone! @PrincessTigger

PrincessOfTigger · 11/09/2023 06:48

DarkDarkNight · 10/09/2023 19:08

I’m sure Netflix know they will have no access to senior members of the Royal Family like Charles and William. Harry and Meghan would not have promised that and the Royal Family would never have agreed to it. What a ridiculous comment.

Agree… the doc makers at Netflix were probably disappointed not to have more footage of M&H close to the royals at the jubilee or photos of the Queen with Lili but Netflix wouldn’t have signed a contract on the basis they thought they were going to get them. The doc was successful without the footage.

Roussette · 11/09/2023 07:04

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Spot on. It never ceases to amaze me that people don't read back through a thread to check what has actually been said and how and why some posts just aren't what happened.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/09/2023 08:01

@Roussette

In my native language, we have a saying that goes:

The cheetah is more than happy to drag others through the dirt, but when itself is dragged, it protests that its spots are getting dirty!

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/09/2023 08:17

@MrsMaxDeWinter absolutely spot on, I was about to write the same thing. @PrincessOfTigger you are the one who contributed to the derail the most.

Angrycat2768 · 11/09/2023 08:33

PrincessOfTigger · 11/09/2023 06:48

Agree… the doc makers at Netflix were probably disappointed not to have more footage of M&H close to the royals at the jubilee or photos of the Queen with Lili but Netflix wouldn’t have signed a contract on the basis they thought they were going to get them. The doc was successful without the footage.

The ' Oh they are wearing mikes/ getting photos for Netflix' was all tabloid gossip and blind items made up by who knows who anyway. There is no proof whatsoever that Netflix would have sneaked mikes and photos ( that they would probably not be able to use) into the documentary, but now it's apparently 'fact', and the reason why the Royals dont want to he near Harry. When, the truth is probably more boring- that none of the parties want to see each other. I think once Charles had died, William and Harry will never speak again. Meghan or no Meghan.

PrincessOfTigger · 11/09/2023 08:37

Angrycat2768 · 11/09/2023 08:33

The ' Oh they are wearing mikes/ getting photos for Netflix' was all tabloid gossip and blind items made up by who knows who anyway. There is no proof whatsoever that Netflix would have sneaked mikes and photos ( that they would probably not be able to use) into the documentary, but now it's apparently 'fact', and the reason why the Royals dont want to he near Harry. When, the truth is probably more boring- that none of the parties want to see each other. I think once Charles had died, William and Harry will never speak again. Meghan or no Meghan.

I think they were wearing mikes for a couple of engagements in the USA, but the idea they were covertly wired up to meet the Queen was a bit barmy lol