What does Prince harry mean by this in his speech at the Wellchild Awards?

[Mornusting]

"As you also probably know, she would have been the first person to insist that I still come to be with you all instead of going to her."

He is referring to the Queen.

Is he saying this is why he is not at Balmoral with the rest of the RF? Is this what he means by "going to her"?

It’s not just racism though - it’s Andrew, or tax payers money, or Meghan and Harry - fair enough if that’s the topic of the thread but nearly every single thread on the royal board gets derailed.

I do the same as another poster - click right to the end of a thread to see if the usual suspects have derailed the topic before commenting.

The rugby podcast thread is a perfect example of this kind of derailing.

It’s really tedious.

@LadyKenya

I hear you. It is really a waste of time.

On the bright side, some people have exposed themselves, so there is that at least! We will remember!

It sucks, loads of posters whose contributions I enjoyed have been bullied away. Maybe we have to make more of an effort to ignore and get back on track.

He's not one for over-clarification.

Yes it does@MrsMaxDeWinter . I do take note of the names, but unfortunately these posters can just name change, and continue with their unpleasantness. But no I will not be told where, and when I can discuss racism either. And I will call it out wherever I see it, Royal Family board, or anywhere else.

Absolutely and that's my position too. But you put it far more eloquently than me

Thank you@Roussette , and@Daisyislazy .

Well said once again, Stormzy

Agree.

To clarify, once again, the first mention of racism was when a poster was criticising Meghan for 'ruthlessly' cutting off the Markle side of her family. One or two posters say, hey actually they're racist, and then immediately someone says: don't mention it or you're giving them power and promoting it. No link to that video was shared. It was simply a few comments.

That's how the discussion on racism started. One or two comments merely making factual statements that clarified what that family is like. That was all it took for all these comments accusing poc of constantly going on about racism, lying about it and indeed who they are. None of this was directed at the jewish poster discussing anti semitism.

Theres nothing in MN guidelines that say racism can;t be discussed on this forum. It is wrong to tell poc where they can speak and how. If you are uncomfortable talking about racism, then you might want to ask yourself why that is. Most of the posts have been about how bad it is racism was raised, not about racism itself. Maybe if you didn't object so strongly the conversation would end sooner.

The English word for Mizrahi is “Mizrahi”

Yes I agree@Iwantcakeeveryday . It is beyond arrogant for a poster to try to tell people what they can discuss on here. Who exactly are they to tell anybody what can, and cannot be discussed?

@StormzyinaTCup Why should it not be discussed? Surely we should discuss it wherever we see it?

Do you think it would be more productive to have specific threads within the Royal Family board to discuss the different issues which come up - colonialism / BRF institutional racism / BRF funding / the republican options for HoS etc rather than every single thread whether it’s about a charity initiative or Kate’s new shoes descending into a bun fight between the same 4-5 posters.

I’ve never seen anything like this on other boards here on MN or other Internet forums elsewhere.

There has been a massive derail of this thread and plenty of posters who are participating in it have complained on other threads when there have been derails and have tried to dictate what other posters should post. I agree with @wordler , it is tedious. No one is saying racism shouldn’t be discussed in the context of a thread, but it has nothing to do with the title of this thread and has clearly descended in to a personal ding dong between a few posters.

Read my post properly - I have not said it can't be discussed on MN, I have said it can't be discussed in an intelligent and rational way on MN. If I wanted to have that conversation it would not be on here. I actually would go as far as to say how it is approached and discussed on MN is actually counter productive. Just my opinion.

sorry, my reply was to @Daisyislazy

I’ve never seen anything like this on other boards here on MN or other Internet forums elsewhere.

Its because of what the royal family represents to some cultures and countries that you'll always see it here. We also always see immediate responses from posters who support the British monarchy objecting to any mention of racism, even when relevant. This discussion has barely been about actual racism, and most of it is posters repeatedly saying it shouldn't;t come up so often. I think without these immediate objections the conversation would not focus on racism long, its the immediate responses objecting to even a single comment that drags it out.

But it wasn’t relevant. The thread was meant to be about Harry’s speech at the Wellchild Awards, a charity for seriously sick kids (actually a very worthy cause). Racism was brought up as a derail, quite successfully I guess, on page 2 in response to fairly minor news that Meghan isn’t attending. We never needed to desperately have a conversation about race and the royal family in the context of a charity for kids they’re not even patrons of. It really does derail so many threads. I wouldn’t even mind MN deleting the thread at this point, it’s gotten kind of silly.

Its because of what the royal family represents to some cultures and countries that you'll always see it here.

See I don’t agree with this because I’ve been on other Internet forums discussing the royal family and I don’t see the kind of constant derailing and bickering that you get here.

We also always see immediate responses from posters who support the British monarchy objecting to any mention of racism, even when relevant.

Yes - that does happen, and it is annoying when the post is relevant.

The royal family and the institution of monarchy is intertwined with many important issues which should be discussed. But it’s tedious to have every thread derailed by the same few posters who then are attacked by the same few opposing posters.

For example I’ve got a pretty low opinion on Harry but I wouldn’t dream of putting that into the thread about the IG that several posters are really enjoying discussing the different team wins as they watch the games.

Imagine going on to the RF board and being critical of Harry or Meghan and being told that you are racist ?

People have said on here repeatedly that white women cannot speak on behalf of WOC so surely their reverse is the same. WOC cannot speak on behalf of anyone else who is not them?

There is this idea often trotted out too that unless posters are actively posting to condemn the Markles or Piers Morgan or Jeremy Clarkson then they are in cahoots or supportive of them. Most of it is a load of nonsense. We then get the comments re " we see you", " I have taken notes of names" - all very unpleasant. These phrases have littered the RF Board for ages.

It's all very tedious.

It is quite possible to ignore all the racism comments and just keep posting.