"Heart of Invictus" documentary series, streaming 30 August 2023

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

The trailer for 'Heart of Invictus" has been released by Netflix, and it looks incredible, and so moving.

For those interested, please find it here.

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This is true for the Royal Family, yes, because if other members if the RF decide they dont want it, the whole house of cards could fall. But why do other people need Harry to fail? The Royal Family have enormous power, over the press and the establishment. They dont need some housewife from Texas to defend their honour!

I disagree. I think they not only want him to return, but to return without Meghan or his children and beg to come back to his ' real' family. Otherwise why would they be so desperate for him to fail? If they get their wish, and Harry fails, his marriage breaks up and Meghan takes all his money he will have to come back home. There seems to be some kind of cognitive dissonance when it comes to the children because they tie him to Meghan, so they must not really exist. If they want him to stay in the US, then surely they want him to succeed. They are also the ines whipping up the demand for pictures if him and especially Meghan by clicking and commenting on stories. Dont do it and the demand dries up.

They would love him to return chastened, begging forgiveness, promising never to do it again. Some people would just love that scenario...

There's been endless talk on here about who Meghan will marry next, whether the Queen, now King, can comandeer the children as they are in the line of succession. Lots and lots of posts saying this.

But he'd have to be a shadow of his former self and forever be contrite.

This. Can you imagine if someone posted in here that a grandparent had taken custody of their children and taken them to another country to live? For a start, the US will ignore whatever rules the Riyal Family have about custody. It eould cause an jnternationsl incident if the child of a US citizen and a US citizen were kidnapped by the British monarchy!

But this is all speculation! No one knows whether any of this is true or whether anyone feels or believes this way , surely you can see this?
It's a race to the bottom from posters putting their own thoughts onto each other any every where else!
Honestly the more speculation the more gossip , the more rubbish is spouted !

Now there are some real outlandish fantasies here and TBH I have not read any of that here on MN until tonight. I'm guessing there are posters bringing tales from elsewhere?

No. Not me. If you are referring to me. I'm bringing nothing from elsewhere.

It's been on MN Royal threads as I said. I put 'there's been endless talk on here'

'Here' means here, MN!

No one knows whether any of this is true or whether anyone feels or believes this way , surely you can see this?

Which is why I posted about it. Obviously some people feel and believe this way, which is why they posted it!

@Roussette

Indeed, these are not fantasies from elsewhere. there was a whole thread about how he should have married Sasha Walpole, and not Meghan for instance. Because she is a better fit for Harry than a mixed race woman, apparently, because she is blonde.

I really liked this observation from @Angrycat2768

There seems to be some kind of cognitive dissonance when it comes to the children because they tie him to Meghan, so they must not really exist. If they want him to stay in the US, then surely they want him to succeed. They are also the ines whipping up the demand for pictures if him and especially Meghan by clicking and commenting on stories. Dont do it and the demand dries up.

I have been thinking a lot about the children. The tabloids still refer to William and his wife and children, and to Charles and his wife, as Harry's real family.

It's a form of erasure. Meghan and his kids are not seen as his real family.

You see it here on threads too, posters suggesting he should have more loyalty to the royal family than to Meghan and their kids, and should not talk about how his wife was treated badly. There is special anger that they confirmed that whole tedious Kate making Meg cry story: it was okay when it was the other way round.

It's very mafia isn't it, confirming that the "institution" matters more than the happiness of its individual members, and some members are to be protected at all costs. It's very cultish, isn't it.

This is what Harry is up against. In effect, he has left a cult.

When you leave a cult, everyone remaining in the cult attacks you, everyone wants you to fail, and return to the cult, Because your success threatens those who believe in the cult, and your failure confirms the cult is always right.

For the whackier supporters of the cult of royalty, the children not existing - or being somehow fraudulently on the line of succession - is actually a racist fantasy that goes together with the idea of Meghan's black blood proving how shady and criminal she is (see also the unfounded rumours about Doria's criminal past). That the kids don't exist are are frauds would, under this fantasy, Harry to sever ties with the fraudulent family and go back to his real family while Meghan is EXPOSED!!!

That's interesting @MrsMaxDeWinter
I have a podcast I've been listening to... "Was I in a Cult".
It's a really fascinating insight into the truly bizarre circumstances people find themselves in. And no, it's not just your usual Jehovahs Witnesses and Scientology.

And so much is about how the Cult must be protected at all costs, at the expense of anyone who wishes to leave. So really like what Harry faced leaving. He can't be happy, he must be maligned and criticised because showing he is successful and happy is a direct criticism of what he has left.

There's a thread running at the moment asking what is the scariest mystery. It shouldn't be anything to do with this. Most of the posts are the truly sad stories of missing people. However, Meghan has even seeped onto that with a poster wanting to know why it hasn't been exposed that she hasn't got two children. WTAF. Luckily the other posters rounded on her. But to think there are actually MNers who believe this

'This is what Harry is up against. In effect, he has left a cult.'

Honestly talk about outlandish theories.

No, he hasn't 'left a cult'. He flounced because he couldn't get his own way with 'Sussex Royal USA!' and had been driven by bitterness, jealousy and resentment ever since, as I say not the ideal person to be the poster boy for IG when it is the opposite of their mentality.

Those is a bit OT .

The fake pregnancy theory is the weirdest thing. I've seen it applied to Meghan, Catherine and a host of other famous women on social media over the years. I don't really understand what the point of the accusation is, I suppose with royalty there could be a succession issue but with other famous people? It is such a strange thing to believe, I even saw one post on Twitter saying that Carole Middleton had all Catherine's children!!

It was shortly after that I left Twitter, for some reason I used to see posts from both sets of rabid royal fans and it all got a bit depressing to see the commitment of some people to attacking others.

Anyway regardless of the success or not documentary I hope that Invictous continues to make a real difference in people's lives.

Gee whizz now we are into mad conspiracy theories here now 😂

Exactly. But then, I guess it creates more drama and more things to post about?

I hope their marriage is happy, I have no interest in either of them returning to the UK.

It's a ridiculous thing to start talking about Charles being involved in custody. Utterly crazy.

I want them to live happy, fulfilled lives - just ones that don't involve them making money out of complaining and villifying family members.

I agree and have said this so many times . They left because they didn’t get their own way .
The OP’s latest post is one of the daftest I have ever read on here !

Agree @MrsFinkelstein. I think many would be happy never to hear about Harry again.

It's a ridiculous thing to start talking about Charles being involved in custody. Utterly crazy

Totally agree. Which is why I was gobsmacked when it was discussed on here. Posters were going off and researching! It was when the Queen was alive. It hasn't been mentioned in the context of Charles that I know of.

All of Harry's cousins make money out of the Royal Family. Selling milk in China/ getting non jobs in art galleries so they can have 'Princess B or E works here' on their letterheads/ getting shady contracts all over the place. Why is that so different to what Harry wanted? Yes. I agree Harry is spoilt and petulant, and Meghan possibly is his enabler in this, but what I don't believe is that he is an outlier in the family. All of them are spoilt and petulant. Most of them know that they are protected by the Royal machine, and don't want their gravy train to end. The vitriol aimed against them is astonishing compared to what they have done.. I mean, is it really beyond the realms of possibility that someone in the Royal household questioned how dark the first mixed race member of the Royal Family would be? Really? In a family which has never had a Mixed race member, surrounds itself by other aristos exactly like them and lives such a sheltered existence? A family where, just a generation ago, racist remarks were seen as 'funny jokes'? Apart from that, they didnt say anything that Fergie didnt say in her Oprah interview. But she puts up with Andrew so she's fine.

@Angrycat2768 the cousins are not working members of the RF . They appear at certain occasions but that’s it . They have to earn a living . Yes it certainly helps to have the Royal connection but they are not supported by the taxpayer . They don’t have 24/7 security etc etc
And can I remind you that the only confirmed racist is Harry !

He didn't want to be a working Royal though. He wanted to do what his cousins were doing. The Royal Family could have given a bit As I said, I do think they have behaved badly , particularly with naming Lilibet and insisting on titles for the children, and Harry was naive in thinking he could change either the press or the Royals, but if you look at what they have said and done, compared to what the press have whipped up, it is not much different to what people have said about the Royals in the past.

The only confirmed racist? Prince Philip made endless racist remarks openly to peoples faces. Princess Michael of Kent is still representing the Royal Family after years of open racism. William and Kate didn't think anything on standing on a range rover waving to the natives in colonial cosplay of The Queen and Prince Philip circa 1950. Even if they had been asked, Charles has said no to things like that in the past. Yet his son had no qualms about it, jumping into the dressing up box at the earliest opportunity!

He maybe didn’t want to be a working royal @Angrycat2768 but he wanted ( and still wants) the titles , the 24/7 paid for security and money . Remember how shocked he was when was “ cut off “ financially?? Imagine - a middle aged man being expected to support himself .

Just as Prince Andrew demanded for his daughters. and himself. He wasn't and hasn't been pulled apart in the same way.
I agree about the paying his own bills business, but he isn't an outlier in the RF because of that. None of them have seen a bill in their lives! The whole of the Royal family is made up of middle aged men who have their clothes set out in the morning, all their meals made for them, every whim catered for without having to trouble themselves with anything as menial as paying the bills- unless they are trying to grift some government hardship funds for themselves of course- How do Zara, Peter and the rest of them manage to live on the Gatcombe Estate and send their kids to private school? They are reliant on handouts from the Monarch. As are Beatrice and Eugenie who, despite apparently having full time jobs before their marriages, managed to spend most of the year on holiday. None of these people are working Royals.
I agree I don't think the children should have titles, but then I believe it should be the case for all of the grandchildren of the Monarchs going forward apart from the children of the heir, as they have done in the European Royal Families.

the 24/7 paid for security and money . Remember how shocked he was when was “ cut off “ financially?? Imagine - a middle aged man being expected to support himself .

Their intention was always to work towards supporting themselves. As people like to say here often, Harry has been looked after in the royal firm all his life and not raised to be independent, he has been raised to have to rely on his father because of his royal responsibilities. In order for him to leave and be successful in his plans for independence, he would need support until he could do that, especially with security. Giving no notice it was being removed, while they were being stalked by the worlds media is a cruel, dangerous and controlling thing to do. No-one has even done that to Andrew. That's why Tyler Perry stepped in and I like what he said on the Netflix series, that what he saw was an abuser trying to exert financial control to make him go back. Knowing organising a secure home and full time security at that point would be almost impossible. the security comes with the family he was born into, so his father had a responsibility to protect him until he could do it himself. Imagine if they had all been killed before he could get his own firm. Disgusting of Charles.

Speaking of making money from the family, everyone knows Fergie has a podcast right? The title, Duchess is in the name I believe and she talks about the Queen constantly. She is welcome at Balmoral, while making money off her royal connections, staying on the Windsor estate post divorce, writing a book about her time in the firm and appearing on Oprah.

Where did Harry's money come from? His mother and where did that come from? Her divorce settlement from PC. Despite being a private citizen he lives off Royal money.

There are also people who have been jailed for issuing death threats against them. Neo nazi's, whos sentences I have also seen being minimised in a 'Oh it was just talk over the Internet ' way.

Re the making money- As well as Fergie, what about Mike Tindall always flapping his gums, including on a couple of reality TV shows. He was applauded for saying he wanted to assault Harry.