"Heart of Invictus" documentary series, streaming 30 August 2023

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

The trailer for 'Heart of Invictus" has been released by Netflix, and it looks incredible, and so moving.

For those interested, please find it here.

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That headline will make the rounds.

Yes it is doing the rounds and its based on absolutely nothing at all, there isn't a single source other than Netflix and their top 10 list, as I say, does;t include the release date.

I'm not sure what you're not getting. It's reality most people aren't that bothered about injured veterans, within the number of people who are not everyone will watch this documentary (and I haven't said at all that the only measure on whether people do care is if they watch this or not)- hence probably not a big number of viewers compared to other content. Its probably not something someone browsing who's unsure what to watch would choose over something else (the netflix top 10 usually has a similar range of stuff in it) unless it's something they're interested in or want to learn more about; as a society I don't think that's a huge number. Not sure why people are taking it so personally, I expect those who won't watch it out of principle because Harry's in it.

Nah never heard of either world war (rolls eyes into oblivion). I know they have a somewhat complex relationship with the military, but there has been quite a transformation since the Afghanistan war. Germany did deploy the second most troops after all and it certainly led to a change in political and public direction. Whilst they don't acknowledge in the same way we do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I don't really know though what this has to do with the documentary- its not like the media here speaks much about the games at all besides to moan about Harry and viewing figures which people are going on about are for the UK.

I get what you are saying about people not caring enough to watch a documentary about veterans when they are just idly browsing. I disagree that people “don’t care” at all about veterans, which is what came across in your first post. I appreciate that most don’t care sufficiently to actually take any action about it, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t care at all. Most people have enough empathy to know that other people are suffering in this world.

Well that was rather my point in that the games will be shown on BBC1 and I suspect will get decent viewing figures. People are interested. Less so in a documentary with H&M on Netflix . But one opinion - others are available. I shall be watching the games , won't be watching the documentary.

Haven't read this thread since my vacation started late Aug 31, but I'm so happy to read the positive reviews.

Glad to see these Losers haven't won!

If the documentary does well in the ratings then that’s great. If it doesn’t then for what it is, I don’t think it would mean all that much. It will be interesting to see if it has any effect on the BBC or overseas ratings of the actual games.

Yes its a documentary about veterans so not really something you expect to top viewing figures. I just object to early reports twisting facts to suit a narrative.

I think there are people who care about the Invictus games - some of those are critical of Harry. Which is allowed. I will be interested to see the viewing figures of the Invictus Games on BBC1 - - I shall watch . I just think Harry has not read the room as someone else said. & to do this as a sop to Netflix to claw back their $80 / $100m - doesn't sit right with me. But I am one person - so many others will have different opinions and good for them.

I would think it's very complex and sensitive historically and politically (especially around Germany and Russia, and the Balkans). Many European countries have complicated national and political identities already, tied in with ideas of nationalism, patriotism, and cultural identity/memory. So there is a nervousness around 'celebrating' war, the armed forces, veterans and battles for disputed territory.

The most important KPI of any type of video content (cinema, streaming, Youtube etc) is always immediately upon release. The first 36 hours are usually sufficient to show how successful it is and give an indication of future viewing figures. So even though the stats have not been a full week, it's safe enough to assume that if it isn't in the charts already, it will never be.

It's vanishingly rare for a piece of high-budget mainstream video to achieve sudden success week or more after its release. There would usually have to be extenuating circumstances for a film or documentary to go viral outside of the standard PR campaigns.

I would think it's very complex and sensitive historically and politically (especially around Germany and Russia, and the Balkans). Many European countries have complicated national and political identities already, tied in with ideas of nationalism, patriotism, and cultural identity/memory. So there is a nervousness around 'celebrating' war, the armed forces, veterans and battles for disputed territory.

This is the exactly point I've been trying to make. Even though the games are held in Germany (they aren't anti-war to the point of boycott obviously), the entire event is blacked out in the media. There is virtually no coverage, nobody knows it's going on, nobody will be watching it on TV. For precisely the above reasons. People across Europe are simply not interested in celebrating war veterans as a spectator sport. It's too complex and stirs up a lot of uncomfortable feelings.

he first 36 hours are usually sufficient to show how successful it is and give an indication of future viewing figures. So even though the stats have not been a full week, it's safe enough to assume that if it isn't in the charts already, it will never be.

perhaps you missed the dates. This was released on the 30th. The only viewing figures on Netflix are for aug 21-28.

Why are people so desperate for everything Harry does to fail? He is trying to do what people say they want him to do. Make money without slagging off his family, yet the press are determined to twist every single thing he says. He didn't mention his family. He said he didn't get support, but that could have been from anywhere. It could have meant that he was offered help, but it didn't work, or he didn't take it. He says one thing that doesn't mention his family and people want him to fail. Fair enough the DM are waging a vendetta against him because he sued them but ordinary people so invested in his failure? Why?

Why are people so desperate for everything Harry does to fail?

They want him to fail @Angrycat2768 because he walked away. So they want him to be punished and humiliated.

They can't bear for him to succeed because his failure will show he was wrong to walk away. His success will prove he was right.

They also say he is irrelevant, but can't stop talking about him.

They say they don't want him to come back, but salivate over the ridiculous Heritage Foundation case, hoping the Americans will deport him.

They want him humiliated. They want him to return, tail between his legs, to leave Meghan behind because they want her punished too. So they want everything they do to fail.

You will find as the years pass that the more Harry and Meghan distance themselves from the UK, and the more they succeed, the angrier people will get.

A time will come when people will be posting: how dare they ignore the royal family. They haven't talked about them all year!

Then they will start on their children.

Perhaps people will watch the documentary once the games have started, and they garner more public attention.

The Harry thing won’t be drawing people in; I guess some - fans and non-fans - will be hoping to see Meghan but she was seen as a distraction and had blotted her copybook over the wardrobe cost debacle.

I missed that - what wardrobe cost debacle?

had blotted her copybook over the wardrobe cost debacle.

What wardrobe cost debacle would this be?

God alone knows... having seen Camilla's handbags in an article, lots of them averaging £3-4K, totalling more than £100K...
I don't really care about Meghan's 'wardrobe cost debacle'
Irrelevant given she's paying for her own clothes now.

When Meghan attended the last games, in the Netherlands, she wore an extensive wardrobe of brand new pieces, changing outfits two or three times a day over the three days she was there, with the outfits costing around £10,000 a day - so more than £30,000 for the three days. More than most of the competitors would earn in a year.

There was some comment in the media (not just the UK media) that this looked a little OTT given the majority of people at the Games were in tracksuits. There was also speculation that her clothes may have been charged as expensies to Netflix or Invictus or both (no one knows whether that;’s true though. Not irrelevant if it was true, though).

There was also speculation that her clothes may have been charged as expensies to Netflix or Invictus or both (no one knows whether that;’s true though.

Why on earth would anyone even think Meghan would charge her clothes to Invictus? She was there to support her husband, the patron of Invictus, why would the Patron's wife's clothes be charged to Invictus?

And why would the clothes be charged to Netflix? She's not an employee of Netflix, and they would not be under "expenses"? And if they were, how is it anyone's business other than Netflix?

Is it out of the realm of possibility that she bought her own clothes, or that they were given to her by the designers?

And why would she be expected to wear a tracksuit when she was not competing?

Seems to be just another manufactured stone to hit her with!

I don't think people want Harry to return to the UK at all - quite the opposite.

I think it is called - to use an MN phrase 😏- "reading the room".

I agree with what you've posted @MrsMaxDeWinter you're absolutely spot on. Its sad but people really really need him to fail, they can;t have either of them happy or it proves they were right to walk away. If they were right to walk away, and are successful and happy, then that looks quite inviting to others that follow.

Margaret’s children have led perfectly happy lives with careers, as have B and E and P and Z. Not held back at all by who they are connected to

Of course they're not held back although it's fair to say Linley in particular has been bailed out more than once had a rollercoaster ride in 'business'.

P&Z milk their connections so hard it's surprising their hands don't fall off and B&E have been enriched by embroiled in their parents' dodgy connections.

Not so glossy really.