"Heart of Invictus" documentary series, streaming 30 August 2023

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

The trailer for 'Heart of Invictus" has been released by Netflix, and it looks incredible, and so moving.

For those interested, please find it here.

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Lots of value judgments going on in this post - there is no “normal” way to grow up. No “perfect” way either. A nuclear family upbringing may be normal you you, Iwantcakeveryday, but that doesn’t make it so in real terms.

Realistically, children should be cared for by loving and committed adults doing their best for them. Cultures and societies and circumstances means it will differ who those adults are for any given child.

It's certainly not school 24/7. What a ridiculously narrow minded statement.
It's not a prison.
Sorry just had to interject there.
I'm sorry that was your experience, but for many (me included) it offered a nurturing and wholly enriching environment.
In my case, had I gone to a day school, I'd have been constantly separated from my parents as they both travelled for work.
Far better to have routine than not knowing who was going to be there at dinner

As in that was how he felt but people may have been doing everything they could. Doesn’t mean it was received or from his point of view was enough.

A teenager thinks everyone hates him and is against him…blatantly from the freedom of hormonal fog none of that is factual.

Grief, as we all know, is a hugely upending experience and does leave you seeing the world through a fog. He wanted his Dad. He needed his Dad. His Dad was working. There were others around him too though. In fact some of that schism was obviously filled by William who slipped into an al ost parental role. Unfortunately I think that ultimately was a large part of the relationship breakdown. It can be very hard once those relationship norms are set up, for it to be able to dissolve and reform, particularly when a partner who isn’t liked comes along. How does that relationship realign. Stop telling me what to do, you aren’t my parent. It you needed me, I didn’t ask for this. And on and on.

I'll make whatever value judgement I like about something I experienced. We all have our own opinions about how to raise children and we are all free to share them.

Very well said, I see your point clearly now.

Its not narrow minded, its my experience and the experience of a lo too other people. It felt like punishment to me. Feel free to talk about your own experience but do so without telling me mine is wrong or narrow minded.

In fact some of that schism was obviously filled by William who slipped into an al ost parental role.

That's not what I got from his book, he didn't give the impression William took care of him at all. He seemed to be saying William was always busy and had a lot to do because of his role. He also says he now realises as a parent that some of his feelings about William not wanting him around etc were normal but misplaced and he sees the same dynamics happening with Archie and Lili.

He didn’t at 15.

Again I think that was his feeling writing the book but if you consider other things, and other things he said in the book, William obviously felt parental for him but a child needs to grow up. In the normal run of things it’s called the teenage years to make both parties feel independence is necessary and can’t come fast enough.

I think in some ways Harry was under the thumb a bit there (not in a mean way just in a I’m taking care of you way) and Meghan obviously became the you can bog off now. Obviously William’s own marriage and actual children didn’t help. Harry seems to say that in the book he thought he’d pretty much be part of that immediate family and it was an open door. He was a bit upset it wasn’t. Again needs to be looked at light,y because it was obvious George in ear.y days spent a lot of time with Harry.

There is so much I could say about William’s carefully constructed public image and Charle’s failure as a father to both his sons, but this isn’t the tread for that so I will leave it.

I don't agree William felt or was parental at all. I don't think I've seen any evidence of that. I don't think he needed to be either, but its just a false narrative that neither of them have really said themselves. They're only a few years apart in age.

It is a false narrative and frankly laughable.

And we know because… There in many ways, for many years was just the 2 of them.

No. It doesn’t prove that. Not in the slightest.

And how else is someone expected in his position to live without a carefully constructed public image. Do you not have a professional face? Or block yourself on social media if you have a people facing job?

Of course it’s constructed.

I see a man in desperate need of therapy.

We don’t know. That’s the point whatever we say is speculation and we have one side to the story.

We have no idea if he has had any. He could have it daily.

I see a man, therapy or not, who has chosen to accept his fate and has rationalised the less the optimal parenting and bizarre upbringing he’s had. At least in public. Which is all I know.

Invictus also offers grants for expeditions, which I think is really cool too, https://www.invictusgamesfoundation.org/invictus-endeavours and seems to offer support and community beyond just the event each year.
Also don't know if this has been posted but you can watch it on BBC. I'm assuming based on this list that its not all of it but its something.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04hgs2m/broadcasts/upcoming

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I’m not speculating. It’s what I see through his actions, his words and sometimes his inaction and lack of words. We also have his thoughts conveyed to us through his friends and aides.
There is already more than one side of the story out there.

That’s why Spare was written.

What a load of nonsense

Maybe, maybe not.
I sincerely hope he has received beneficial help.

That’s my opinion based on what I see and that’s fine.

Ah ok. So it is your opinion. No problem with that. But in your above post you stated that you were not speculating which made it sound like you believed this to be factual. Which, of course, none of us can say.

Goodness! I never understand why I post on these threads.
They all end in a circle of chaos.
This started with the focus on Invictus and has again ended in the inevitable spiral.
It's not necessarily that either viewpoint in wrong , it's that much of the time those that decry the crime of derailing the thread are the ones absolutely derailing.
Someone casts their net and someone bites. And around and around again we go.
Bonkers! 😝