Kate Hate

[MamoruHisaishi]

I came across some old threads in other forums and also articles where Catherine was being criticized for being lazy, dumb, overrated, a gold digger and called all sorts of names. There were even threads that questioned why people disliked her so much, and multiple pages of replies stating why she was so disliked. I am wondering why this seems to have now been forgotten, even if Meghan became the new media target, why is it hardly mentioned the amount of hate and vitriol that Catherine went through?

they won't be doing anything for weeks now surely. of on their hols.

@notanotheroneagain

I did a quickly google, in the news headlines today there is negative coverage of the cost of the Windsor suite at the airport, Kate’s fashion fail, Kate fails to share the queens passion etc. amongst others

so your comment that they don’t get negative headlines is completely false.

@notanotheroneagain

Yes, the rules and standards for Meghan bear no resemblance to anything, she has to perform to a much higher standard because otherwise hell will be unleashed on her.

Wimbledon and the Ashes are good engagements because they go on for bloody ever!

There is currently a The Daily Mail article reporting that someone who used to be connected with Vogue says that Catherine doesn't show enough joy when wearing jewels and doesn't wear them enough. (Of course Catherine doing engagements dripping in jewels is such a good idea in a cost of living crisis.🙄) Camilla is apparently sufficiently joyful with her jewellery wearing in case you were interested.

I suppose that article could be interpreted as Camilla planting something to attack Catherine but I think it's far more likely that the Mail is printing any old crap for clicks. The bottom line in this praising/denigrating is all about money and they don't care about the feelings of anyone involved. And I realise by seeing the article's headline and mentioning it I'm perpetuating the cycle. I thought though it was a great example of someone being in a no win situation that the press just exploits.

I don't think the hate towards any public figure ever goes away, we just get more public figures and more hate is spread. Meghan has hardly done anything recently and she still gets articles written about her. William has just been announced Patron of a research centre trying to overcome the antibiotic resistance problem but that won't get the clicks an article criticising him will. If I think about this too long it's really depressing.

how do you look joyful wearing jewels?

If they did that all hell would break lose. Every single facet of their appearance and behaviour would be analysed and scrutinised in the most negative way possible, and they'd be accused of being famewhores exploiting charities to try to steal attention from the other royals.

The press would delve into and try to find some way to attack the charities and private individuals associates with those charities just because of their association with Meghan (the way the tabloids smeared and tried to stoke racist hatred against the Grenfell survivors community kitchen Meghan visited, by claiming that men with "links to ISIS" had attended the same mosque that later let the Grenfell survivors use their space. There's no suspicion any of the women from the kitchen had any link with ISIS but the tabloids tried to make out Meghan was personally supporting Islamic terrorists just because she did an event in a mosque to support Grenfell!)

When Meghan privately turned up to help at the kitchens after the Uvalde shooting (with no cameras, no entourage except for one security), there were endless tabloid articles and at least four or five separate threads here absolutely ripping her to pieces for it, scrutinising her body and clothing to "prove" she had a secret hidden camera inside her top which led to fat shaming comments, and multiple posts here calling the survivors of the Uvalde massacre "liars" for posting on social media that Meghan hadn't brought a camera crew with her.

Several times Harry and Meghan have done charity stuff privately, and many months later the charity or someone from the charity has mentioned it and it's become public news, and it's resulted in the charity been deluged with hate, racist messages, and threats. More than one small charity has been forced to delete their website and all their social media just because they worked with or accepted money from H&M once, because the sheer number of abusive messages and threats was more than they could cope with.

Even here on Mumsnet, posters' hatred of Meghan is so strong, they'll happily attack parents whose children were just murdered as "liars" just for making one random comment on social media that Meghan didn't bring a camera crew.

A young woman who worked on the Smart Works launch did a podcast about her own career where she spent two minutes out of an hour-long podcast praising Meghan and saying how nice she was, there was a thread about it here that happened to be posted at 1am and within hours it had five or six pages of just non-stop mocking and abuse to the point it had to be deleted. Literally just because one person who'd met Meghan said she was nice. And really how many people are likely to be on Mumsnet at 1am, yet there were 20 different usernames all posting within minutes of each other to trash and belittle this random young woman and call her a liar. For committing the sin of saying "I met Meghan briefly and she was really nice to me."

As for Will and Kate, they do a tiny fraction the number of events that the other royals (even elderly royals) do, and routinely take several months off in the summer where they don't work at all. On average they maybe work two days a week, and that work might be a single phone call or Zoom, or something like attending Wimbledon.

If I was giving M&H advice I wouldn’t tell them to go quiet I’d tell them to be seen constantly doing things that are completely uncontroversial.

Every day be seen helping at a local soup kitchen
It's amazing how Meghan loves to make things about herself - no feelings of empathy just using people's pain and suffering to promote herself.

Attend a local parade (not grainy photos like July 4th but actually make a point that you’re there)
Isn't it funny how when (insert RF event here) is happening Meghan call the paps to see her merching at a parade? Can't we have anything without her showing her face? I mean really!

Helping out local charities
The nerve of Meghan showing up to (insert charity) wearing (insert expensive item) - how heartless and self centred. The narcissist!

Post a video asking people to come volunteer
What an absolute bunch of hypocrites! They should donate their Netflix money and volunteer themselves instead of asking people - the entitlement!

Donate supplies
See any of the above

Play with the kiddies in the park
Look at how they are now using monetising their children - Meghan has finally got Harry onside with Backgrid

Don’t do any of the things you get criticised for (no flying, no complaining, no suing, no picking fights).
Don't go on holiday, allow people to lie about you

Don’t take your own photographers (it will be viewed badly), call the media ahead (that’s called publicity it’s normal). Be over-exposed and over-seen doing things which are not controversial at all, because then the critics will look absolutely unhinged.
They will not look unhinged because they will call them self important and entitled - * *narcissistic and the cycle will continue.

When someone like Jeremy Clarkson goes too far be so magnanimous it’s almost passive aggressive (“I was so upset and frightened when I read your comments, I am glad you have now seen they were misogynistic and hurtful and made light of a very serious form of abuse, we all make mistakes so I hope you will take this as an opportunity to grow” and not “apology not accepted, wanker” even if the latter is a true expression of most people’s feelings 😂😂)
Sure but that will back fire too

They cannot do anything and I mean anything without the negativity.

She doesn't seem to have to do anything to get criticised. She can be filmed at a 4th July parade by a member of the public and people have a go because she wasn't standing next to Harry. It's never ending.

@notanotheroneagain I see we had the same idea 😂

No idea it was a bonkers article.

If I had to guess I would say they expect Catherine to carry out her next engagement whilst juggling diamonds?

You’re kind of missing the point though: yes there will always be negative things printed, a negative spin is always possible. But if it was petty it wouldn’t stick.

With William, Kate, even Camilla, it doesn’t stick. That’s the difference. Nobody’s views are shifted by learning that Kate is not wearing her earrings joyfully enough. It looks like a really petty criticism, readers think “is that all there is to criticise her for?”

The coverage of M&H is a mixture of the substantial and the petty. They also reinforce a lot of it. They can’t change it, it’s the nature of the beast, they earn megabucks because people want to publish and read stories about them. But it doesn’t have to stick. That’s the point. People are more likely to believe what they see than what they are told. If they see you out and about, helping in your local community, and the only thing they can find to pick apart is the fact that your jewellery looks depressed - and also if the show/tell really jars (so they see you being charitable, but what they’re told about you is really uncharitable) - and if these petty and jarring criticisms become the majority of coverage, it would look ridiculous, it wouldn’t stick.

(Uvalde is different, she shouldn’t have gone there. It was fair to criticise it as tragedy tourism because it was (and it breaks the “no flying” rule). I’m talking about uncontroversial acts of charity in the local community.)

But it did stick for them in the early days

It took heavy PR for Camilla, and probably Kate and Fergie just fizzled out

It’s the initial stages for all that are relevant to the op not their press now

Everything is controversial if your business is selling controversy. And everything is controversial to someone. Plenty found the Grenfell survivors kitchen to be controversial because they were hosted by a mosque.

If Harry and Meghan only did events within driving distance of their house (since you say they mustn't fly) that would limit them to events only in Southern California. If they only did events in Southern California they'd be accused of being obsessed with Hollywood, only doing events in Hollywood since the tabloids and Mumsnetters regularly refer to where they live as "Hollywood" even though they don't live anywhere near Hollywood (and we all know "Hollywood" is code for shallow, vacuous, celeb-obsessed), only caring about wealthy Californians, only doing things to try to force their way into the Southern Californian social circle.

Kate's getting negative media articles right now because Meghan is gone and largely invisible, and the press always need someone to be their whipping girl.

The press aren't going full in on Kate the way they did Meghan because Kate is well-liked and because she generally keeps her head down and rarely speaks in public.

If there's articles trashing you and accusing you of links with terrorism and all sorts

Sorry - trashing you and accusing you of all sorts, that constant drip is hugely effective in influencing public opinion. Meghan is hated because she's been demonised non-stop. If the tabloids decided to trash Kate as much she'd been hated too, but they're mostly positive with the occasional negative story to test the waters and see what will sell.

no one on mn hates meghan. this has been said countless times when me and other have called the non pro's haters.

They pretty blatantly do. It's extremely weird to try to deny this.

Maybe you don't, but the posters starting dozens if not hundreds of threads about her, spending hours every single day posting about how awful she is, calling her a bitch, a nightmare, abusive, accusing her of being a prostitute and a gold digger, following her every movement, researching every thing about her past, even to the lengths of cyber stalking her college friends, pretending to have friends working in Buckingham Palace who saw her hit Charlotte, using sockpuppets and name-changing within the same thread to make it look like more people hate Meghan, the poster who admitted to having been banned from Mumsnet over 20 times for posting racist abuse of Meghan and bragged that she keeps making new email accounts so that she can create new Mumsnet accounts to come back after being banned because she needs to keep spreading the word about how vile Meghan is, the group of banned posters who started their own now-defunct forum where they were allowed to say stuff about Meghan that's not allowed here.

What on earth is that if not extreme, obsessive hatred?

Maybe they're not here anymore, but in the past, the hate was really frightening. It was like watching a religious cult in action.

And just look at the comments here. How can anyone read a post about Mumsnetters attacking the parents of massacred children, or tabloids racially abusing Grenfell survivors, or Mumsnetters posting under 20 different usernames at 1am to smear a young woman just for saying she worked with Meghan once and Meghan was nice to her, and the only response is "well Meghan shouldn't have been there in the first place" and "no one hates Meghan."

Really? Not one word of condemnation for the Mumsnetters who called the Ulvade survivors liars for saying Meghan didn't bring a camera crew, or attacked random charity workers just for saying Meghan was nice to them?

It shows a terrifying lack of empathy.

😂😂

But 💯

I remember the MN knock off 😂

really good post. and we have to remember even if people have been banned it doesn't mean they have not come back. how many times do you see posts and threads deleted on mn as they are PBP?

They cannot do anything and I mean anything without the negativity

This ^^

There is no point in denying that anything they do is criticised. Literally anything. So suggesting they should do this, that, or the other is pointless. It will be criticised endlessly.
I do think some posters must have panic attacks when there is something marginally good or worthy they do that is reported, or someone comes out and thanks them. Because it goes against the ingrained dislike of him or her, and has to be rubbished.

I was saying years ago endlessly on here they can't do a thing right in some people's eyes.

Sadly, that still stands.

@notanotheroneagain I called it PLMN (PoundlandMumsnet)

The obsessive hatred in the press and on here is a bit much. I wish they would just go and live a happy life with their children instead of rehashing every petty family squabble, but it's not like they've killed somebody! They're just a bit self-pitying and annoying.

People have very short memories. I well remember the nasty nicknames, the horrible articles and the blatant misogyny displayed in the early-late 00’s. I was very surprised when it was made out Meghan is the only member who had a hard time because of her race. They are all victims of misogyny

@AcesBaseballbat - honestly there have been sneering post after post if someone uses "hate" as a descriptor about some people's posting activity about Meghan than minimises it by saying that people are name calling and calling them haterz and other some such like. It's exhausting.