Kate Hate

[MamoruHisaishi]

I came across some old threads in other forums and also articles where Catherine was being criticized for being lazy, dumb, overrated, a gold digger and called all sorts of names. There were even threads that questioned why people disliked her so much, and multiple pages of replies stating why she was so disliked. I am wondering why this seems to have now been forgotten, even if Meghan became the new media target, why is it hardly mentioned the amount of hate and vitriol that Catherine went through?

Meghan made a huge mistake when she aired all her grievances about Kate,

The only interview I saw with MM was the Oprah one. There she said that PoW is a very nice person! What have I missed?

She claimed Kate made her cry, Kate didn’t hug her, she was awkward, she was overformal, she didn’t help enough, the press treatment of her (which broke the law) was merely “rude”, etc

Yes but remember, this was just after the end of WWII and anti German sentiment was at its peak and they were insecure and ashamed about their Hanoverian roots. George Vi and Elizabeth were the generation that were starting to get away from those German roots as the Queen Mother was Scottish and they really didn't need more German Blood into the family, especially during that time. They probably believe it would've made the people turn against them

Yes, Meghan did talk about her surprise at how formal William and Kate were at that dinner she had cooked for Harry, W&K, in that little cottage they lived in at KP. I took it as a clash of cultures.

I think it was actually a ‘royal reporter’ that claimed that Meghan felt that Kate did not help her enough.

I do remember Meghan saying that she didn’t want to give first photos of Archie to a hostile media before showing them to their family and friends - the media had acted so badly.

Nothing, though, is/was reason enough for the amount of criticism, intrusion and vitriol Meghan has experienced via media and social media. None of the married in women deserve, in any way, the level of criticism and intrusion, as well as misogyny (and in Meghan’s case, racism) they have faced.

For me, it appears that the press subject the women marrying into the Rf to a sort of hazing. I see this not as a double standard, rather Kate having passed the hazing and Meghan being in the hazing period. It’s disgusting. Vile and dehumanising to subject these women to this and the abuse Meghan received was especially hasty due to the racist element.

Yes you need to compare the early days as it’s worse at the start

I don't get why people believe that narrative that Meghan complained about Kate. She spoke highly of her in the Oprah interview, saying that she's a nice person.

Harry is the one who aired all Meghan's grievances about Kate. He's the one who talked about the lipstick, which as a germaphobe and someone who is slightly OCD, I would probably react the same as Kate then throw the lipstick away lol.
He's the one that released the alleged text conversation between Kate and Meghan about the flower girl dress, blaming her and William for the nazi costume, the baby brain. He also accused Kate of stereotyping Meghan because she was biracial and divorced.

He's the one that basically added fuel to the fire, not Meghan.

I think he genuinely expected these two to be friends from the get-go and when that didn't happen, he got in his feelings. I also think that, due to the siblings rivalry, he tried to one-up William by getting with a sexy woman, who's more accomplished that Kate then when the rest didn't acknowledge that, he started running with that narrative that some people were jealous of Meghan because she was "better at the job than those born to do it".

Don’t forget that royal blind stories suddenly started appearing on a Canada gossip site too about Kate not going shopping with Meghan etc

Very stupid thing to do as Jessica Mulroney was friends with Elaine Lui and Meghan herself was pictured with her so it looked like she was getting the stories from the horses mouth (directly or indirectly).

What is 'German' blood?
How far can you go back into any person's nationality and ask him/her where his/her family comes from?
If a boy is born in England and his father, mother, grandmothers, great grandfather and great-great grandfather were all born in England can that boy really be described as 'having mainly German blood'?

@upinaballoon - read Nono’s post a little above yours. There is an obvious reason for “foreigner fear” at that time.

I agree that Meghan gave credence to the “Kate the enemy” line. There was no reason to mention the spat at the dress fitting in the Oprah programme, and the bits in Spare about the dinner. Regarding the latter surely you mirror the “superior’s” behaviour; not that Kate is innately superior by dint of rank/Britishness/whatever, but because they have been there longer . You don’t have to keep it up, of course, but on a first meeting as a girlfriend/boyfriend you do your best to fit in (even if you think they’re awful!).

I don’t think it was intentional to set the dogs on Kate (as pps have said she also said things which were complimentary) but it’s undoubtedly the effect of airing all her grievances. The rivalry is now seen to have the rubber stamp of one of the parties.

Looking back at WWI, anti German sentiment in the UK was getting stronger so the RF had to basically make people forget of their mostly German ancestry. King George V was mostly of German descent and so was Queen Mary. In 1917, the King changed their family name from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to a more English name, Windsor.

George VI married a Scottish woman which was the beginning of bringing more British blood into the family.

Then we get to Prince Philip. It was right after WWII. Anti German sentiment was at its peak and the last thing they needed was another "German" coming into the family (even though he was a prince of Greece and Denmark, he mostly had German ancestry) and plus, he was also a foreigner. It's well documented that the late Queen’s parents, Queen Mary, the courtiers and the Government and some of the public were all against this marriage because he was not British, had German ancestry and that his sisters were married to nazis

It is relevant to the royal family. Their privilege is not even based on being an ancient British family whose lineage stretches back into the mists of time. It is fairly recently their lineage became British.

askmeonemoretime · Today 09:30
It is relevant to the royal family. Their privilege is not even based on being an ancient British family whose lineage stretches back into the mists of time. It is fairly recently their lineage became British.

Not really. They are descended from Anglo-Saxon and Medieval royals- and probably Ancients Briton too, if we did but know it. But so are any of us whose ancestors lived in what is now the U.K. back then.

Yes, it was a red flag that MM was talking about Kate. (If it happened).

MM had a chance on Oprah to say how painful the crying headlines were, without giving any private details. But it was just so important for her to say Kate was the one in the wrong. Maybe she was, but MM was not really believable. Because certainly Kate may also have cried. Certainly crying does not equal innocence. She could have risen above and said “this was awful.” Without saying “and it was her fault!”

She also didn’t need to compare her media treatment with Kate’s and openly indicate that she had it tougher, to bring up an old painful nickname. You don’t do that to anyone you care about.

No one missed the shade she threw in the Cut, either. “I’m a better mother.”

For me it all came across as narcissistic.

@IamSTARVING used the present tense: The Windsors are mainly German blood surely?
I was thinking of William, who is a Windsor, and wondering just how many generations of a family have to be born in a country before people accept that the old blood might have got a bit diluted by now.😀

....and that wilful, difficult, girl Elizabeth, thought by so many to be such a steady number as opposed to her younger sister, exasperated them all by insisting on going through with marrying the good-looking blighter.🙂

At some point since the Oprah interview I have heard or read that it was longer and was cut down for the transmission. I wonder what things were in it, which we never saw/heard.

Even a thread called Kate Hate (such an awful title) turns quickly to Meghan bashing.

It’s not like anything new is being said of Meghan - just the same old rehashed, media influenced, often incorrect or exaggerated criticisms.

Harry is the one who aired all Meghan's grievances about Kate. He's the one who talked about the lipstick, which as a germaphobe and someone who is slightly OCD, I would probably react the same as Kate then throw the lipstick away lol.
He's the one that released the alleged text conversation between Kate and Meghan about the flower girl dress, blaming her and William for the nazi costume, the baby brain. He also accused Kate of stereotyping Meghan because she was biracial and divorced.

I read the book and I absolutely do not recall Kate stereotyping Meghan because she was biracial and divorce. Which part is this?

Also, Harry never said Meghan complained about Kate. Where is this part.

He also never blamed W&K for the costumes, he said they laughed. We already were told that William helped him choose it.

Meghan also did not make grievances about the lip gloss and baby brain. Those all took place in front of Harry, who in turn, thought it illustrated how different the two women are.

As for the negative headlines on Kate. It was mainly about two issues about her class and laziness. The rest are about how pretty she looks she will outshine a-listers and everyone . How she deserves a break cause of her work looking after her kids etc.

What did not happen for her was for daily panelists and monologues to dine out for years regarding that time she took a private jet with friends or helicopter and so forth.

On top, she was assigned a hotline to get support from the palace before she was married.

As for the Oprah interview and Kate. OW asked her the question specifically, because a big deal was made out of it. Mentioned non stop for months and years.

When Camilla Tominey was about to write that article, what did Kate's team say ? Surely, you cannot print that, it's absolute lies.

I read the book and I absolutely do not recall Kate stereotyping Meghan because she was biracial and divorced. Which part is this?

He said it in 60 minutes interview with Anderson Cooper

He also never blamed W&K for the costumes, he said they laughed. We already were told that William helped him choose it.

It kind of was a way to take the heat off and avoid responsibility though. Right after that came out, I was already seeing people making excuses for Poor Harry

As for the negative headlines on Kate. It was mainly about two issues about her class and laziness. The rest are about how pretty she looks she will outshine a-listers and everyone. How she deserves a break cause of her work looking after her kids etc.
What did not happen for her was for daily panelists and monologues to dine out for years regarding that time she took a private jet with friends or helicopter and so forth.

Umm, not really! I do remember them getting criticised for the price of the Kensington Palace renovations, just like H&M were. Criticised for taking private jets and using helicopters, for their lazy parenting and using George as an excuse not to work. I also remember the period George was constantly stalked by the paparazzis and the Palace had to release a long statement, the topless paparazzi photos scandal, some blaming her for a nurse committing suicide.

People forget that both her and William weren't liked. Even some journalists who hate Harry today used to write articles saying that Harry would make a better King. If you go look at old articles were comments are available, 75-80% of comments are negative.

Also, I never said that Kate had it harder than Meghan but it is a Kate thread so I chose to focus on that instead of Meghan who is the topic of pretty much every thread here.

On top, she was assigned a hotline to get support from the palace before she was married.

Because William insisted, otherwise the Palace would've never done it. He was always the one who took the initiative and did all he could to protect her. Sadly, unless you've been part of the family for a while or born into it, the Palace is not going to protect you. It took them close to 5 years to give her police protection despite the fact that paparazzis were following her everyday

Sadly, unless you've been part of the family for a while or born into it, the Palace is not going to protect you. It took them close to 5 years to give her police protection despite the fact that paparazzis were following her everydayI

I find it quite ugly that they condone this. Any woman who is intending to marry into the family is going to be hounded and vulnerable. They know this from past, repeated experience. Do they not value those that marry in, or who are expected to marry in, as much as they value themselves? All that money and it takes them nearly 5 years to provide protection for Kate.

What did not happen for her was for daily panelists and monologues to dine out for years regarding that time she took a private jet with friends or helicopter and so forth.

Yep, this is true.

Sad but true. Hopefully, this H&M saga will force the institution to make some changes in the future.
Prince Philip said it best : The reason so many monarchies were abolished around the world is because they were unable to make changes and move with the times