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Kate Hate

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MamoruHisaishi · 23/07/2023 12:03

I came across some old threads in other forums and also articles where Catherine was being criticized for being lazy, dumb, overrated, a gold digger and called all sorts of names. There were even threads that questioned why people disliked her so much, and multiple pages of replies stating why she was so disliked. I am wondering why this seems to have now been forgotten, even if Meghan became the new media target, why is it hardly mentioned the amount of hate and vitriol that Catherine went through?

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AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 15:19

YA is often bad but the YA "fandom" (probably not the right word) is so full of drama it's often much more entertaining than the actual books!

Howsimplywonderful · 27/07/2023 15:22

My dd13 is a young adult, reading this stuff she can fly through them (can average one a day) when she finds a series she likes so it can be very expensive 🤯

LadyMuckingabout · 27/07/2023 15:32

Ha ha, yes, the rival fandoms makes MN royal threads look very tame! Actually it’s like a modern-day Kathy Bates in Misery situation in which the fans “own” the characters 😬

Howsimplywonderful · 27/07/2023 15:40

Ah the good old days of Judy Blume , flowers in the attic and the interview with a vampire series

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 16:15

Back to Kate since it is supposed to be a Kate thread. I went back and looked at the coverage pre-marriage and it's interesting seeing how nasty they were back in the day.

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AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 16:28

I was reading about the Dragon Boat "scandal" the other day, and it really shows how much the Firm did not have Kate's back and were not protecting her, prior to her marriage. They basically pulled the same stunt they did with the "recollections may vary" incident with Meghan, ie implying that Kate was lying.

Non-royal wives always get treated this way until they prove their loyalty, but even then being protected from the press is dependent on them always being discreet and obedient and taking whatever shit is thrown at them without public complaint.

wordler · 27/07/2023 16:31

I think one of the worst things about current media coverage of royal wives who have recently married in is how the misogyny and classism (and racism and xenophobia in Meghan’s case) has extended to their mothers.

There was a little bit of this to Diana’s mother because she’d left the family home but she wasn’t vilified, gossiped about and exposed constantly in the press in the way that Kate and Meghan’s mothers have been.

Carole Middleton must have a backbone of actual steel, or she’s really good at compartmentalism. She’s been torn apart for decades in the press for being too working class, too middle class, too successful, a business failure, a social climber, a Machiavellian schemer, a horrible controlling boss, a snob, too pushy, too middle class and aspirational in her decorating tastes, too interfering in the lives of her grandchildren.

And then on social media little stories get made up and passed around like facts

Carol schemed from birth to marry her daughters off to wealthy men

She orchestrated Kate meeting and marrying William

Doria is painted as a drug addict who abandoned her daughter for years and spent time in prison - despite there being absolutely no record of this.

You don’t get this for any of the men marrying in, or for the older generations.

PrincessTigger · 27/07/2023 16:37

That’s a good point, I read a lot of critical stuff about Diana’s mother (I wasn’t alive when it was actually published, I mean in recent years)… maybe none of it is true

wordler · 27/07/2023 16:39

PrincessTigger · 27/07/2023 16:37

That’s a good point, I read a lot of critical stuff about Diana’s mother (I wasn’t alive when it was actually published, I mean in recent years)… maybe none of it is true

Well we didn’t have social media when Diana married in but you’re right the in-depth criticism of Diana’s parents has been more noticeable in recent years.

PrincessTigger · 27/07/2023 16:41

wordler · 27/07/2023 16:39

Well we didn’t have social media when Diana married in but you’re right the in-depth criticism of Diana’s parents has been more noticeable in recent years.

The way Spencers treat women also seems to be a whole… thing

Howsimplywonderful · 27/07/2023 16:42

I remember Carole Middleton getting flack for ‘appearing to be chewing gum’ I kid you not

PrincessTigger · 27/07/2023 16:47

And it’s not just spouses… Beatrice and Eugenie used to get all kinds of abuse before they became “respectable” wives and mummies… it is all quite regressive !

Samcro · 27/07/2023 16:54

It odd that it never happens to the men, there was a bit about Zara’s husband when he was in ant and Dec show( auto correct wontlet me do the initials)
but that’s all I have seen

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 18:03

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 16:15

Back to Kate since it is supposed to be a Kate thread. I went back and looked at the coverage pre-marriage and it's interesting seeing how nasty they were back in the day.

I did the same for her post marriage coverage. She still got negative press. I would say it really stopped in 2018ish.

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Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 18:08

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 18:03

I did the same for her post marriage coverage. She still got negative press. I would say it really stopped in 2018ish.

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Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 19:02

AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 16:28

I was reading about the Dragon Boat "scandal" the other day, and it really shows how much the Firm did not have Kate's back and were not protecting her, prior to her marriage. They basically pulled the same stunt they did with the "recollections may vary" incident with Meghan, ie implying that Kate was lying.

Non-royal wives always get treated this way until they prove their loyalty, but even then being protected from the press is dependent on them always being discreet and obedient and taking whatever shit is thrown at them without public complaint.

Exactly! The women marrying in constantly get attacked. I can't remember a man who married in who even had half of that treatment. Prince Philip was probably the only one. A lot of people (including the staff and the family) didn't want the late Queen to marry him because they thought he was a social climber (he kind of was) and due to him having German roots and those were the early years of post WWII.

Even after they got married, many of the staff weren't nice to him at all

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 19:03

AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 16:28

I was reading about the Dragon Boat "scandal" the other day, and it really shows how much the Firm did not have Kate's back and were not protecting her, prior to her marriage. They basically pulled the same stunt they did with the "recollections may vary" incident with Meghan, ie implying that Kate was lying.

Non-royal wives always get treated this way until they prove their loyalty, but even then being protected from the press is dependent on them always being discreet and obedient and taking whatever shit is thrown at them without public complaint.

What is the Dragon Boat scandal?

Mylovelygreendress · 27/07/2023 19:49

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 19:03

What is the Dragon Boat scandal?

If I remember correctly ( and I accept I could be wrong) but the organiser of Kate’s team , Emma Sayle, had a business organising “ adult parties. “

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 21:03

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 19:02

Exactly! The women marrying in constantly get attacked. I can't remember a man who married in who even had half of that treatment. Prince Philip was probably the only one. A lot of people (including the staff and the family) didn't want the late Queen to marry him because they thought he was a social climber (he kind of was) and due to him having German roots and those were the early years of post WWII.

Even after they got married, many of the staff weren't nice to him at all

On the day Philip and the late Queen got married the Daily Mirror a photo of him as a child wearing a traditional Greek to remind everyone of his "foreignness", basically saying "he may be marring in but he'll never be one of us"

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AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 22:31

The dragon boat thing was separate from Kate attending (or maybe helping out at) her friend's sex toy parties, which was also stupidly overblown.

When she and Will briefly split up, Kate joined a team called the Sisterhood that were attempting to be the first all-female team to row across the Channel and was papped at lot at rowing practice. This was at the same time she was being papped looking very beautiful and glamorous at nightclubs and stuff so the press made a big thing claiming that all her activities were part of a PR stunt to "show Will what's he's missing" rather than a young woman trying to cope with a bad breakup. Then she and Will got back together shortly before the channel attempt and she dropped out at last minute, which of course the tabloids leaped on for the chance to make her look like a bad friend who'd ditched her teammates for a guy, when it was those same tabloids who had caused problems for her teammates by stalking them at training for weeks.

Then suddenly there were lots of articles with quotes from Kate's friends saying the Firm had forced Kate to drop out, that it wasn't her choice to leave her teammates in the lurch, and that she was really upset about not being allowed to participate. I can't find the response but IIRC there was an "official royal source" statement saying it wasn't true and that no one had pressured her to drop out.

The Sisterhood did complete the channel crossing btw and they became the first all-female team to do so, and they also set a world record which I believe stands to this day. So no harm done, except a bit shit for Kate to miss out on that experience.

Morestrangerthings1 · 27/07/2023 23:51

The abuse of Kate by the media dropped off as Meghan entered the family and became the new target. (We’d not seen the racism or xenophobia up until then though in regards to the married in women). Then it became Kate vs Meghan also. The ‘good woman’ vs the ‘bad woman.’ (It had been done before to the married in women, to a lesser degree, ie Diana vs Fergie and then, Diana vs Sophie) .

In the time of Kate and Meghan, the social media handmaidens (both men and women), and people seeking to make a buck out of it all (on places like YouTube etc..), have added to the cacaphony of nastiness. As social media has grown, (at some point I posted a list showing how greatly how just one social media forum - Twitter - has greatly increased its numbers from 2010 until last year), so the cacaphony of nastiness experienced by Meghan has grown to a level we’ve not seen until this time.

At times, the media circles back to criticise Kate and this fires up social media responses. It’s all win/win for media outlets. And yet again, all women lose badly with the perpetuation of stereotypes. Especially Women of Colour who have to live with the stereotyping of them as angry women, bad mothers, drug addicts etc. - all of which Meghan, and her mother, have been very unfairly portrayed as being.

PrincessTigger · 27/07/2023 23:55

I think that’s partially true but I also think Meghan made a huge mistake when she aired all her grievances about Kate, because it rubber stamped the idea that it’s Meghan vs Kate. Now it isn’t just a media thing, it’s confirmed by one of the camps. If you like one you must hate the other. Meghan fans especially seem to think they’re doing her a favour by being cruel to Kate and her husband and children. I think she should have kept her criticism to the institution itself as personalising it has backfired.

Morestrangerthings1 · 28/07/2023 00:31

Meghan made a huge mistake when she aired all her grievances about Kate

How many grievances did Meghan air? Wasn’t her ‘criticism’ of Kate simply when she said in the OW interview that an example of misreporting by the media was who made who cry over the dresses? And Meghan herself pointed out the woman vs woman aspect when she said in that interview that in order to like her it’s not necessary to dislike Kate, or in order to like Kate there’s no need to dislike her.

Also recently the media giving credence to Kates ‘vindictiveness,’ about the “recollections may vary” statement? I place no weight in the reporting that this was at Kate’s insistence. It’s media manufactured woman vs woman, yet again. Put forward by a man, and printed and reprinted time and time again, by a poisonous patriarchal and, often, racist media.

I’m sick of the idea that Meghan ‘fans’ in general are being cruel to Kate and her children. Some very immature and frankly quite irrational ‘fans’ are mean, but many aren’t. But the same can be said of Kate ‘fans,’ some of whom (the irrational and stupid ones - again) criticise Meghan’s children, whether they are even real, and lately how thin Archie looks etc., etc..

IamSTARVING · 28/07/2023 04:06

AcesBaseballbat · 27/07/2023 16:28

I was reading about the Dragon Boat "scandal" the other day, and it really shows how much the Firm did not have Kate's back and were not protecting her, prior to her marriage. They basically pulled the same stunt they did with the "recollections may vary" incident with Meghan, ie implying that Kate was lying.

Non-royal wives always get treated this way until they prove their loyalty, but even then being protected from the press is dependent on them always being discreet and obedient and taking whatever shit is thrown at them without public complaint.

*Non-royal wives always get treated this way until they prove their loyalty, *

I really believe that it nothing to do with oproving loyalty.

It has everything to do with Human Shield.

They always have some woman out front taking the bullets.

IamSTARVING · 28/07/2023 04:09

Nono22972 · 27/07/2023 19:02

Exactly! The women marrying in constantly get attacked. I can't remember a man who married in who even had half of that treatment. Prince Philip was probably the only one. A lot of people (including the staff and the family) didn't want the late Queen to marry him because they thought he was a social climber (he kind of was) and due to him having German roots and those were the early years of post WWII.

Even after they got married, many of the staff weren't nice to him at all

due to him having German roots

The Windsors are mainly German blood surely?