Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

'They are not figments of the lurid imagination of posters on Mumsnet,'

@MrsMaxDeWinter - 'lurid imagination' is just rude.

Google MM and political ambitions and lots of articles will come up in the press. It's been discussed because of her behaviour, yet you belittle and are rude when it's raised calling it 'lurid'.

Exactly. He was coddled in the army, he was even allowed to leave the army base when they were conducting a drug test and no one else was allowed to leave except for the privileged prince.

The Darwin awards are a fake award given to people who die in the most ludicrous ways, thus proving that Darwin's thesis about the survival of the fittest is apt.

As far as I know, the Darwin awards are not about people speculating over who will die that year.

Is this a niche British activity, these office sweepstakes over who will die that year, and whether Meghan and Harry will divorce? In my culture, it would be considered utterly repugnant and inhuman to speculate over the death of living people, or to bet on the break up of a family with young children just to make small amounts of money.

Different values, I guess.

Different values, I guess.

Different cultural senses of humour, I think you meant to say there. Social anthropologists generally think it unhelpful to ascribe value judgments to cultures. It tends to lead to prejudice.

I was! Myself and the other poc who were responding. No need to stick your oar in now, its moved on. Please do not tell other poc they're pulling the race card, that's racist. Plenty of people DID dislike her based on race, so if someone said they dislike her on sight, I'll ask about it if I want to.

maybe change your name. seems to always be a new poster who takes a pop at you or posts stuff like this.

If it is a British thing then its completely passed me by, no office or workplace I have been in or part of has ever done anything like this. It is utterly repugnant to me too.

If Meghan runs for office, I will read about it. On her campaign website. Because ehe will have a campaign team etc.

Anything else is speculation.

One book published in April this year stated factually that she would challenge Biden in 2024.

Clearly, the author, Robert Jobson, knows nothing about things such as Super PACS, because he would have known that anyone running for president in 2024 would have had one by the time his book came out.

So no thanks. If Meghan runs for office, I will hear it from her.

But she is welcome to run for president in your mind, and that of others. I just hope you wont get as outraged by her imaginary policies as you are about her imaginary request for a lift on Air Force One!

no I haven't ,
please don't pretend that this is some kind of joke. its a nasty thing to bet on,

@MrsMaxDeWinter

I don't wish to Thread Police but would you mind please not using the word 'batshit' to describe Samantha Markle?

Samantha Markle has MS, yes it can definitely cause neurological issues around speech, learning and planning, but calling sufferers 'batshit' is something that really should've been left in the last century.

I don't seev how anything you've said contradicts what I've said. On the contrary, it backs up what I say. If all his children tried to get into acting, that would indicate that he was influential in some way in getting them started.
I feel like you're taking it as some sort of insult but I don't know why. I can remember getting a summer job on a funfair through contacts of my mum. What's wrong with that? Surely it just means that Thomas was a good dad who tried to help his children?

Given that this story is likely to be broadly true, how come M&H continue to have such thick skins? Why do that awards ceremony (the taxi chase one)?

Surely, surely they need to realise that the way forward is to actually do something, not just try to represent and head things. Ok, so many others drift around in luxury - Beatrice, Eugenie, thousands of super rich etc etc - but they are not on our radar. M&H are media fodder for reasons of car crash humour at the moment. I’m sure they can turn things around, but lying low is the best policy for a good while.

I would accept the humour defence if the person who told us about their office sweepstakes about Meghan and Harry was saying it's just a lighthearted thing. But no, she is hundred per cent convinced they will divorce, she can't see anything wrong with this kind of "betting", and she can't wait to win that money for the refugees.

Lucky, lucky refugees. Whatever would they do without that 400 pounds of malice disguised as charity!

@Serenster

What on earth has my post about Thomas Jr doing a blackface on Youtube mimicking Meghan (it's disgusting by the way) got to do with your long winded post about ... not sure

I can only assume you think it is perfectly alright for Thomas Jr. to do that? Because you are picking up on me and saying why can't people form negative opinions.

No need to answer, really not, I never quite get the point of what you are trying to make!

I assume you are saying people can form negative opinions about Meghan from what they have seen, and it is the equivalent of her brother doing a disgusting blackface youtube vid.

If it is a British thing then its completely passed me by, no office or workplace I have been in or part of has ever done anything like this. It is utterly repugnant to me too.

There’s even a wikipedia page about them. So clearly not particularly rare or unusual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool

Re read what you wrote again and tell me you weren't generalizing POC. Nowhere did you specify that you were only referring to POC like yourself who are pro Meghan. There are plenty of POC who don't like her and that doesn't make them racist. My skin is darker than Meghan’s and I would never pass as white or mixed race, and I've been subjected to racism myself so you can't presume to know what peoples motives/thoughts are when they express their opinions. You've made plenty of presumptions in your comment below just because the poster didn't think Meghan and Harry would last based on their body language.

Yes it is. Don;t tell poc when our race is or isn't relevant. Meghan was subject to racism. Its not a leap to suggest people disliking her at first sight did so because of her race, plenty of people did and to pretend they didn't is enabling their racism.

Clint Eastwood’s Dirty Harry had a film ‘the dead pool’ back in 1988 so it’s hardly ‘niche’

Given that this story is likely to be broadly true, how come M&H continue to have such thick skins? Why do that awards ceremony (the taxi chase one)?

And wouldn't you feel a bit mean if it was just a DM story which is where it came from?

I know what I wrote and to who. I replied to someone saying @MrsMaxDeWinter shouldn't bring race into it. I don't think anyone should tell a poc that their race isn't relevant. Now stop twisting what I said.

You are saying Meghan needed her father's help to be a success.

I am asking why, if that is the case, his other two children, whom he could have helped in the same way, are not as successful, particularly as one had the same ambitions Meghan did.

Bottom line: Meghan achieved her own success.

Just as Samantha and Thomas Jr achieved their own failures.

You can't big up Thomas for Meghan's success while absolving him from the failures of the other two.

I can only assume you think it is perfectly alright for Thomas Jr. to do that? Because you are picking up on me and saying why can't people form negative opinions.

My post wasn’t aimed specifically at you, Roussette, the quoted words were just an example of what I’m talking about.

Of course you can form a negative opinion of Thomas Jr based on his behaviour that you’ve seen covered in the press. That’s perfectly reasonable.

But, by the same token, other people can, perfectly reasonably, form negative opinions of Meghan Markle based on her behaviour they’re seen covered in the press.

It’s completely ridiculous to tell other people that they cannot do the latter. Or that if they do, that opinion can only be for one reason. People have seen plenty of Meghan, more than enough to form their own opinions (and just watching her engagement interview could well have been enough for many people to form a view, be that positive or negative). That was my point.

Foul. Why don't you give some money to Refuge yourself instead of taking part in some ghoulish sweepstake and making out you're charitable?

I mean, all parents help their kids the best they can, some have contacts in industry... whatever. Why use it to diminish someones achievements? Why raise it at all? Every royal has been supported by their parents or the monarch their whole life.

It’s completely ridiculous to tell other people that they cannot do the latter. Or that if they do, that opinion can only be for one reason. People have seen plenty of Meghan, more than enough to form their own opinions (and just watching her engagement interview could well have been enough for many people to form a view, be that positive or negative). That was my point.

When someone says they disliked her from the start or at first sight, then it is reasonable to ask wtf that is about. If people make judgements about someone from one interview, and claim it is entirely form their behaviour, I simply don't believe it. People have prejudices, preconceived notions, not just racial ones, that factor in to how they feel about everyone they meet. Some of them reasonable, some of them not.

I hope it’s true. It’s bonkers. I sort of admire how big a deal they see themselves as now, though.