Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

He looks alarmingly like Charles!!

The abdication was a constitutional crisis, changing the order of succession would have just compounded the crisis. I don't believe that was ever an option because as you say he was next in line.

Roussette · Yesterday 18:01
@BadgerB
You're muddling posts up. Totally. I haven't said anything of the sort about you.

My apologies, Rousette.
I see now that you were referring to a deleted post immediately after mine.
Must be more careful before I post. I think this is the second I've needed to say "sorry" to you.

Discussion with all brothers took place to secure a smooth transition with the support of all, as said upthread. It was, as you say, a constitutional crisis..

Thanks for that link, @AutumnCrow .

It seems all the sons of George 5th were traumatised by their father. He is supposed to have said, "My father terrified me and I'll make damn sure I terrify my sons".
Could account for Bertie's speech impediment too.

True, @BadgerB - also being forced to write with his right hand when he was left handed. At least he and his wife created a better home life for their daughters.

I'm sure they discussed how to make a smooth transition but that isn't the same as them "deciding" to have Bertie. We have rules about the line of succession, it wasn't for his brothers to make a decision about which one should be king.

Now that is unfair. Meghan would absolutely pee on you if you were on fire, but only if there were paps around to capture the moment followed by an emotional tell-all interview with Oprah about how she employs life-saving micturation mindfully and as an act of service.

Because everybody can live a life of service.

Yes, that's right, if you read the subsequent posts.
It wasn't about challenging the line of succession, however, the PM had to ensure 1. Bertie would take the Crown, not abdicate himself 2. The other brothers would not support Edward in the matters related to his abdication.
As pp have said, it was a Constitutional crisis, and new territory for everyone.

Edward and Wallis would absolutely have signed up to the non-aggression pact Hitler was desperately pushing with Britain, and which Goering and Heydrich were 100% convinced they would sign until about 3 days before Britain declared war.

Can you imagine??

Only too well, @potniatheron .
Thank goodness they went....(plus their agenda continued, see the Guardian article upthread)

It’s just mad. I’m from a country that was invaded and occupied by the Nazis. Greece: Hitler basically conceived of it as the breadbasket of the Wehrmacht and took over all food supply lines. There was a huge famine, my grandmother lost one of her siblings. She and my grandfather were visibly still traumatised by the whole experience decades later. They behaved very oddly around food, storing it and suchlike. Always using stuff even past it’s sell by date. Cheese rinds, everything.

sorry for the thread derail but I’m honestly grateful on a daily basis that my adopted country UK had the balls and the honour to stand up to the Nazi monsters.

Here's a good review of what sounds like a bit of a shit book (Wallis in Love: the untold life of the Duchess of Windsor the woman who changed the monarchy by Andrew Morton 2018) - review by Joanna Scutts in The New Republic, March 2018.

It also references the then 'forthcoming royal wedding'.

https://newrepublic.com/article/147292/wallis-simpson-no-bold-forerunner

From that review ^^

But Morton is not the first to suggest that the abdication was the king’s choice alone, and that Wallis only provided him with an excuse to escape from a role he hated—or that for her, it was a disaster. Once he stepped down, she was trapped into marriage with a man she was coming to despise, who had given up the one thing she had ever truly seen in him.

Is this now a generally held view? Is it one which I'd heard and absorbed somewhere, reading book reviews etc, and it's affected the way I think of H&M? Because I do sometimes think whenever they make a misstep that M must despair of H.

I actually burst out laughing at that 😂

Thanks for that, @AutumnCrow . Most interesting!

My late parents and grandparents certainly were of the opinion that Edward/David would have been a disastrous King . According to them he enjoyed “ the high life” too much .

@potniatheron - are you sure she's actually pee on people ... I suspect it would be something she'd do herself if the paps were there (after she called them) and if the person was well known enough ... otherwise she'd get her producer to do it and just do some action shots

It seems the accepted view that Wallis didn't want the marriage, so why didn't she break it off and go back to the States?

The problem with being Royal, is the shine it provides. That's why W&K were sensible to wait, do things out of the limelight etc etc for all the criticism of 'waity Katie' and being 'lazy' in the early years of their marriage. They were building the foundations of their relationship in as much privacy as possible. I suspect that Royal shine has somewhat tarnished with Harry now.

i do find the "waity Katie " that is dragged up on these threads weird. she waited years to marry him, (posters use that as a way to bash H&M) as "insults" go its not up there with racism.

That is such an interesting interview and yes so many echoes of Harry.

As has been pointed out before not all criticisms of M stem from racism. It is the lies and bending of the truth that speak for her.

I most likely didn't word it well. I meant in the press, kate got called that and Meghan had things like that awful monkey photo.