Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

Spokesperson is a term of art but it’s obvious that many of us believe he’s still being fed information in order to put it out into the public when it suits H&M.

Anyone mocking the idea knows exactly what we mean and why. Not that he’s paid (well, they don’t like paying for things they can get for free, do they?) nor that he’s going to admit it. But it’s quite a logical conclusion.

Ok and?

Media person tries different guises and enterprises and doesn’t always succeed at them all - what a surprise!

As all Royal books purport to have and share - Omid is no different.

And no again sympathetic press is not being a spokesperson. Word actually mean things.

Much as I wish the monarchy's 'endgame' were approaching, I can't envisage it in my lifetime unfortunately.

I'm holding out for the demise, however, of the hideous Andrew in the next decade.

Would it be acceptable to describe Scobie as, 'the man who in the past apparently acted as the unofficial spokesman for possibly one of the Sussexes, given a judges comments on these matters'?

No.

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The judge stated that there was evidence suggesting that Meghan’s side ‘have been energetically briefing the media about these proceedings from the outset’.

He then referred to tweets from Omid Scobie which contained extracts of the Meghan’s witness statement. The judge stated that it was ‘accompanied by a quotation attributed to “a close source” criticising the Mail for wishing to ‘target five innocent women through the pages of its newspapers and its website’, adding “Mr Scobie then tweeted the passage from the witness statement that I have quoted above. The inference invited is that he had been provided with a copy by representatives of the claimant. This seems very likely”.

Providing information to sympathetic press ≠ unofficial spokesman any more than Piers Morgan is an unofficial spokesman of Camilla or Dan Wooten an unofficial spokesman of William.

Ok, let me word it differently. Meghan and Harry leak info to Omid and he puts it out into the world. I don’t think he’s just sympathetic, I think both sides are actively using one another.

”Press” actually means something, too. He’s not press at all, and nor does he actually report anything. Writing whatever H&M tell him to write isn’t “reporting”.

He’s been made an ass of by them a number of times including during the Queen’s death and The “nearly catastrophic” car “chase”. I think he will drift back into oblivion once they come to realize this “strategy” has helped tank both their plans and their reputations.

Here it comes “But William!” “But Camilla!”

The only source we have for any connections there are Harry’s paranoid “writings” and rantings, symptomatic of his admitted drug use. As with his recent testimony, where he pointed at previously reported news as evidence of his phone being hacked, he’s just not credible.

I disagree - using examples of sympathetic press to support a point is reasonable. Wooten has been the first to break a story which could only have come from Kensington Palace. But that is a perfect example of how to discredit anything people say because of admitted drug use. I’ll keep that standard in mind.

But that is a perfect example of how to discredit anything people say because of admitted drug use. I’ll keep that standard in mind.

What a strange retort. I’m ok with that.

He’s not press at all, and nor does he actually report anything.

He is an actual journalist - his niche interest is the British Royal Family. He writes opinion pieces for the people he is contracted to - the last was in May. He is also a coauthor of a Royal biography. He is no different to Tom Bower or Angela Levin in this regard.

But in the interests of checking things out as my insomnia ticks on - I’ve just watched him on the This Morning sofa being interviewed by Phil and Holly before the coronation (goodness all the things that have happened since then) - he is knowledgeable about the history of the Royal Family and the British public, he is speculative when asked questions about how the RF might want to minimise drama not centred on the King and Queen on the day, he gives insight as to why Meghan was not attending and is overall personable and friendly. Certainly not the bogey man so many people make him out to be - though I must say with hindsight, he was absolutely in the middle of writing his upcoming book because of his comments about the lack of enthusiasm and overall excitement for Charles. I think he said downfall in that interview - we can now see he settled on the over the top title of Endgame 🤣.

He’s really no different from PM and DW. You can call what they journalism but it’s not respectable.

You may not like him, and that's fine

But it's false equivalence to compare him with a man who has been accused of phone hacking and faking photos, and with a man currently under investigation for so much unethical conduct it makes my head spin.

It's okay to dislike him without comparing him to those vile specimens,

Didn't Omid testify on behalf of harry’s legal case against the mirror too? He's also been exposed as a liar when he denied that the sussexes had anything to do with the book finding freedom. Also was called out by the judge in meghan’s lawsuit. That to me shows that he's more than just friendly media to the Sussex, but he's getting leaks from them/is their go to person when they want something leaked unofficially. Meanwhile, the pro sussexes are desperately trying to connect William and knauf to wooton when there's no evidence that any of them have leaked or communicated with Wooton.

This is a man that’s gone after other people’s children and abides others doing so. That’s also vile. You may personally like him but he’s not an objective party. What he’s performing is not journalism.

Sure Jan

So I said - being a spokesperson is not the same as being sympathetic press

You said yes it is and he’s not press anyway

I said no it’s not and gave examples of other people in the RF who have sympathetic press

You said ugh whataboutery! Anyway you can’t believe anything people on drugs say - drugs addicts ugh amirite?

I then said by the way he is an actual journalist

You say yeah well ok then he is but he’s a horrible journalist in the same vein as Dan Wootten and Piers Morgan.

And I will respectfully say to you as someone who lives across the pond, you may not engage with our media in the same way we do. I am very familiar with Piers’ style of interviews - even when he is on the side of right his haranguing and argumentative style is really off putting. His prose is not that much better. I actively avoid Dan Wootten - his style is not that much better than Piers’. I do find Dan very interesting as he has been on record as saying that the RF leak to the press (way before he obviously was given an in). I have read Omid’s written articles and now seen a panel interview he was chairing and certainly feel that he is very different to them both. Missing is the haranguing, sneering, sarcastic and mocking tone that is so evident from the other two’s body of work. So you may not rate him as a journalist, you may not like him as a person and you may not like his obvious bias but to compare his style and approach to those two is really unfair to him. Any way - finally feeling tired now but the sun is bloody well rising. Off to try and get maybe a couple of hours. Toodles.

The links between Kensington Palace and Dan Wootton were the subject of a letter before action sent by Harry's lawyers. Byline Times claims they were threatened not to report it.

I don't know if Harry is bringing his up as a separate action or it is linked to the wider Sun lawsuit.

Byline also reported on Wednesday that Dan Wootton kept an insider at Kensington palace on a retainer, a relationship that was then taken ver by the current editor of the Sun. Quite why a palace aide, who is a public servant, would be paid privately by a tabloid is a question that is, at the very least, interesting.

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/06/05/royal-exclusive-prince-harrys-legal-move-over-cash-for-briefings-claims-at-the-sun-the-story-murdoch-tried-to-bury/

What? What do you mean going after other people's children? I have not heard this accusation before which if it is what you suggest is surely too appealing to have escaped most people??? I haven't seen anything about this reported anywhere?

Too APPALLING!!

Your own article states that there is no suggestion that either William or kate had anything to do with wooton obtaining any palace leaks. Also the royal aide was not named, there is nothing there to implicate that it was Jason knauff. What we do know for sure is that knauff didn't use anonymous sources to expose the lies that Meghan and omid told and was willing to put his name on the line to expose the truth. Why didn't he go to wooton instead to expose it if he has such a close relationship to wooton? Wooton also claimed that it was a Sussex aide who told him of the Canada story. Also, byline can say lots of things but can they prove it? Harry is now in court and testifyinf against the sun, he could easily try to drag down wooton as well if he has the evidence. Byline makes insinuations without naming the Royal aide. If they truly had the goods/the evidence, why not name the person?

And one last thing, why would William be in kahoots with wooton when he was the one who wrote the Rose and Kate feud that fuelled the cheating gossip? That doesn't even make sense. Meanwhile there is evidence that omid has been in contact with Meghan and has even testified in harry’s behalf.

Just googled - he said his source in KP said that the reason the Wales’ were late to the coronation was because of the children. That’s it. Nothing else. Somehow that’s an attack. Meanwhile it looks like they were late because they were filming that video. Ok seriously 😴 time.

Here's just one example:

https://sports.yahoo.com/prince-princess-wales-were-coronation-144135997.html

He said the Wales family was late to the Coronation because of the kids?

And that's a heinous crime on par with phone hacking or faking the Abhu Graib pictures??.

Please be serious!!!