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The royal family

Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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ThePoshUns · 20/07/2023 06:57

H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:10

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Howsimplywonderful · 21/07/2023 09:10

@Roussette

I just don’t spend my time looking for stuff to be annoyed by so have no idea

Wasn’t that your advice previously to posters, just scroll on by ? 🤣

MrsMaxDeWinter · 21/07/2023 09:10

Serenster · 21/07/2023 08:31

Harry is not the only person taking on the press. So why single him out for abuse of process? Is Doreen Lawrence also engaged in abuse of process?

Because we’ve seen in great detail how Harry had no actual evidence to bring one of his cases, of course. And another one may well be well long out of time. The other people’s claims do not, to my knowledge have those issues. If they do, I’d also regard them as abuses of process.

@Howsimplywonderful

If @Serenster has a problem with my posts she can report them, or indeed tell me not to engage her.

On the issue of "actual evidence" Serenster, my understanding is that the whole case Harry brought is one that relies on inference. My memory of the rules of evidence from law school is that there is a distinction made between circumstantial and direct evidence.

Sure, using circumstantial evidence, and asking the judge to draw adverse inferences from, for instance the journalists not coming to defend their stories is a harder hill for Harry to climb, but the lower threshold of balance of probabilities that applies to civil cases as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal means that his case is not entirely hopeless.

I found it interesting that the judge, of his own initiative asked why the journalists themselves were not appearing.

A key plank of Harry's case is actually based on the absence of call data and other evidence which he argues was deliberately destroyed.

It is simply not possible that, on a balance of probabilities, out of all the people in the royal family who were hacked, including those around Harry, he alone, was not hacked. Inferences can be drawn from the invoices he submitted that were linked to stories about him. The evidence of the journalist who testified under protest was particularly revealing as many of there stories were linked to payments to a known phone hacker. I found the construction of his case to be compelling a, and the summing up by David Sheldon. His reliance on the Amory v Delamirie case showed the scaffolding they are building.

I will go out on a limb and say that, based on the little that I have seen, Harry and his team have done enough, on a balance of probabilities, to win this case.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:11

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:07

"Meghan has approached NASA to be part of the next Space Mission

Harry has asked for a privileged pass to be present in the Senate for voting

Meghan has approached Richard Curtis to ask him for a star part in Love Actually Part2

Meghan is a sleeper agent for the US Government"

Is no one going to guess which headline about H&M was reported as fact?

No googling !

I'm going with the first one!

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:13

Howsimplywonderful · 21/07/2023 09:10

@Roussette

I just don’t spend my time looking for stuff to be annoyed by so have no idea

Wasn’t that your advice previously to posters, just scroll on by ? 🤣

Sorry, I have no idea what your post to me means.

Wheresthebeach · 21/07/2023 09:13

Millicentsparty · 21/07/2023 08:02

If it's not true, why didn't Harry just deny it? They've been contacted by several organisations asking for their side and they've declined to say anything. We know after the car chase debacle, they were releasing comments in reply to questions they were being asked, such as, has anyone ftom the RF contacted them. So they are obviously happy to engage with the media. Why not just say, it's a ridiculous story and it never happened?

Which is what they did with the Dior story. I hope it's not true, and if they are happy to deny Dior then they should be happy to deny this. They have a very able PR team behind them so it's a doddle to put out a 'this is more nonsense' statement.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:14

MrsMaxDeWinter · 21/07/2023 09:10

@Howsimplywonderful

If @Serenster has a problem with my posts she can report them, or indeed tell me not to engage her.

On the issue of "actual evidence" Serenster, my understanding is that the whole case Harry brought is one that relies on inference. My memory of the rules of evidence from law school is that there is a distinction made between circumstantial and direct evidence.

Sure, using circumstantial evidence, and asking the judge to draw adverse inferences from, for instance the journalists not coming to defend their stories is a harder hill for Harry to climb, but the lower threshold of balance of probabilities that applies to civil cases as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal means that his case is not entirely hopeless.

I found it interesting that the judge, of his own initiative asked why the journalists themselves were not appearing.

A key plank of Harry's case is actually based on the absence of call data and other evidence which he argues was deliberately destroyed.

It is simply not possible that, on a balance of probabilities, out of all the people in the royal family who were hacked, including those around Harry, he alone, was not hacked. Inferences can be drawn from the invoices he submitted that were linked to stories about him. The evidence of the journalist who testified under protest was particularly revealing as many of there stories were linked to payments to a known phone hacker. I found the construction of his case to be compelling a, and the summing up by David Sheldon. His reliance on the Amory v Delamirie case showed the scaffolding they are building.

I will go out on a limb and say that, based on the little that I have seen, Harry and his team have done enough, on a balance of probabilities, to win this case.

Thank you @MrsMaxDeWinter for being gracious enough to share some of your insights and some of the details with us.

I do wonder what evidence other claimants had that he does not, I did not read every article or reporting of the trial but what I read didn't specify it.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:16

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:11

I'm going with the first one!

😂
Nope! It's the last one. I made the rest up. Easy to do... must apply for a job at DM!

Gingerboy22 · 21/07/2023 09:16

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:09

How unfair. I irritate you. That's fine. You don't have to make it personal. I wouldn't dream of doing that about you.

I'm sorry but where did I mention you in that post? I didn't.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:18

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:16

😂
Nope! It's the last one. I made the rest up. Easy to do... must apply for a job at DM!

oh my god, a sleeper agent for the US!! I guess if she hasn't issued a denial, must be true

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:18

Gingerboy22 · 21/07/2023 09:16

I'm sorry but where did I mention you in that post? I didn't.

I apologise. I am glad you weren't referring to me, even though you were answering a post about me.
Phew!

Millicentsparty · 21/07/2023 09:18

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 09:11

I'm going with the first one!

I'm going with Love Actually 2. I didn't know she'd approached him, just that her name was linked with the reboot. I mean, I don't even if there is a reboot. I didn't believe it was true because WME was quite clear she wasn't going back into acting.

Gingerboy22 · 21/07/2023 09:19

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:18

I apologise. I am glad you weren't referring to me, even though you were answering a post about me.
Phew!

Thank you.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:19

Millicentsparty · 21/07/2023 09:18

I'm going with Love Actually 2. I didn't know she'd approached him, just that her name was linked with the reboot. I mean, I don't even if there is a reboot. I didn't believe it was true because WME was quite clear she wasn't going back into acting.

Ha! That was a good one I made up!

No, apparently she is a sleeper Agent for the US Government. You heard it here first!

Mylovelygreendress · 21/07/2023 09:20

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:07

"Meghan has approached NASA to be part of the next Space Mission

Harry has asked for a privileged pass to be present in the Senate for voting

Meghan has approached Richard Curtis to ask him for a star part in Love Actually Part2

Meghan is a sleeper agent for the US Government"

Is no one going to guess which headline about H&M was reported as fact?

No googling !

I am assuming it’s the Richard Curtis one given the recent rumours about Bodyguard2 .

Howsimplywonderful · 21/07/2023 09:21

@Roussette

Meghan failed the foreign officer entrance exam so she’s hardly ‘sleeper material’

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:21

Mylovelygreendress · 21/07/2023 09:20

I am assuming it’s the Richard Curtis one given the recent rumours about Bodyguard2 .

See?! It's as easy as that to make up a DM headline! All my own work! See above!

Millicentsparty · 21/07/2023 09:22

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:19

Ha! That was a good one I made up!

No, apparently she is a sleeper Agent for the US Government. You heard it here first!

Oh, I hadn't heard that one. But I'm sure I read about Love Actually 2.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:22

Howsimplywonderful · 21/07/2023 09:21

@Roussette

Meghan failed the foreign officer entrance exam so she’s hardly ‘sleeper material’

This was just a bit of fun... oh well, I tried.

Shame it was reported she was a sleeper agent then!

Millicentsparty · 21/07/2023 09:22

Just googled and apologies, it wasn't Love Actually, it was The Bodyguard remake.

LadyMuckingabout · 21/07/2023 09:26

I didn’t know this board was “Approved posters only” - with a coda of “you’d better recognise me because I am Meeeeeeee.”

I have been on MN nearly 20 years now (the hours, nay, days, perhaps even weeks wasted!) and perhaps it was nicer when smaller but at least now there is less of that awful cliquey MN royalty business. It was like the worst of my all-girls school.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 21/07/2023 09:28

@Iwantcakeeveryday

I am by no means giving an expert opinion, I have two law degrees but have never practiced civil litigation, so don't take my word for it. This is just my reading of the case, informed by what I remember from studying the rules of evidence.

Our lecturer used to love the section on the probative value of deathbed confessions, and constantly raged against the infamous Bedingfield case.

But I just wanted to highlight that the narrative that there is no "actual" evidence does not reflect the complex manner in which trial judges weigh and assess evidence, or their ability too draw adverse inferences. Harry's entire case relies on inference and circumstantial evidence, ie if this is true, then this must be true, if this happened, then this follows etc.

There is no smoking gun. But there is a lot of smoke which has to be explained.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 09:31

LadyMuckingabout · 21/07/2023 09:26

I didn’t know this board was “Approved posters only” - with a coda of “you’d better recognise me because I am Meeeeeeee.”

I have been on MN nearly 20 years now (the hours, nay, days, perhaps even weeks wasted!) and perhaps it was nicer when smaller but at least now there is less of that awful cliquey MN royalty business. It was like the worst of my all-girls school.

I don't think this Board is that, is it? Not that I recognise anyway!

And yes I remember the MN Royalty crap, I was newish then and thought.. I've heard of cliques, but this is beyond a joke!

PrincessTigger · 21/07/2023 09:32

I hope it isn’t true, it’s a bit cringe

Samcro · 21/07/2023 09:32

LadyMuckingabout · 21/07/2023 09:26

I didn’t know this board was “Approved posters only” - with a coda of “you’d better recognise me because I am Meeeeeeee.”

I have been on MN nearly 20 years now (the hours, nay, days, perhaps even weeks wasted!) and perhaps it was nicer when smaller but at least now there is less of that awful cliquey MN royalty business. It was like the worst of my all-girls school.

I remember those days well.

on here unfortunately there have been some pbp(IN THE PAST) and obviously people nc. so sometimes its seems on when someone "seems" new but knows stuff that a poster said ages ago.

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