Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

Wouldn't they sue if it wasn't true? Or is it difficult to disprove?

Bloody tabloids

Indeed. No one wants to hear this but the linking to Meghan of words that suggest fraud and criminal behaviour is deliberate. There is a whole corner of the internet that believes that her children are frauds or that she had them fraudulently, some of which beliefs have made their way here. And of course you know the rumours that have been spread maliciously about her mother, including on this forum.

The consistent narrative attached to her is that she is a "grifter" or a "hustler" who has, in big and small ways, lived her entire life as an inauthentic fraud. Even in the small ways, like in the way she holds her hand to her face, she is apparently inauthentic!

No one has managed to answer why they would ask for a flight back with the Bidens when the timing is completely wrong?
There is no way Harry would miss the private family commital of his Grandmother to hitch a lift back to somewhere 2,500 miles away from his home that would probably take longer than a flight on commercial which they both took. Everyone seems to ignore the timings and believe the nonsense Mail story. And the only defence for H&M is... sue then or we'll believe it! Anyone could make anything up.

I think it was something put out to draw attention away from the 45% increase in the SG year after next, the news of which broke shortly after.

To me, grifters is an American term and so I thought the use of it relating to Meghan Markle started there? I think the whole Royal Family could be described as grifters and Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are no better. They are just the other side of the coin, so to speak.

There is no way Harry would miss the private family commital of his Grandmother to hitch a lift back to somewhere 2,500 miles away from his home that would probably take longer than a flight on commercial which they both took.

People hand wave this away by either saying that Harry would have happily missed this for the chance to get the coup of being in Air Force 1 or by saying that they asked anyway on the off chance that the Bidens were going to leave much later on.

I find it fascinating that now the standard of proof for any and all stories is whether or not people sue. From my standpoint the couple have so far sued for egregious breaches of privacy and have never sued for libel - I’m sure more learned people may come and correct me.

Surely the simple answer to that is that they didn’t know what time Biden was leaving ? It would not have been unreasonable of H and M to imagine that the Bidens might have stayed until evening or even until the next day ( as H and M did) before setting off ?

I also think it is a tabloid hatchet job to distract from the Dan Wootton allegations. The latest expose from Byline makes for really troubling reading, and will raise some uncomfortable question for the palaces as it is suggested that the Sun kept an inside informant on a "retainer" in exchange for information. DW is the one who broke the story of the departure of the Sussexes.. Harry wrote that only his brother and father knew the details at the time, and that DW was close to the partner of someone who worked at KP. Those details subsequently appeared in the su under DW's byline.

Perhaps keeping royal "sources" on "retainer" is legal under some arcane "royal protocol", given all the cash for access stuff, but there is a whiff of corruption about it.

Byline suggests that even as he was taking Meghan to task about bullying, he knew that he had himself been the subject of six complaints at the Sun, with staff receiving pay offs, and had also subjected a number of his colleagues to targeted sexual harassment about their sexuality.

I don't imagine it's a case of the Bidens saying to AF1 and their security... OK, we're ready now we've had a cup of English tea, shall we go? Everything will be planned a long time in advance. Harry will've known about the 4pm commital service, he would hardly ask to hitch a lift at 2.30pm and miss it.
But it does make a good story! And of course all the detractors will believe it hook line and sinker. Which is quite amusing.
I do think ... because of lack of news about them.. the DM stories are getting more and more bizarre. And will continue so.

The consistent narrative attached to her is that she is a "grifter" or a "hustler" who has, in big and small ways, lived her entire life as an inauthentic fraud. Even in the small ways, like in the way she holds her hand to her face, she is apparently inauthentic!

I said it before in some of my more spirited times here - Meghan has been cast as a “Very Bad Person” and everything she does or someone claims she has done has to be interpreted through this lens. So asking the actual President of the United States for a lift as a non royal fits into the idea that she has that she is self important and over confident.

This is all hindsight though, which doesn’t help much. In order to assess the truth of the story we’d need to know exactly when the request was made and exactly what the relevant parties knew at that point in time about travel plans and funeral events. Obviously we don’t and won’t ever know that. So hindsight reasoning is no use in proving or disproving this.

We need to know when the request was made?

You are assuming that the request was made.

Based on a story in the Daily Mail.

Who have no agenda at all when it comes to Harry (who is suing them) and Meghan who has won a case against them.

Well I expect they’ll sue them over this too then if it’s untrue!

You know what? Even if the President/Harry/Meghan story is complete tosh, it was worth starting a thread about so we could read this absolute gem! 😂

I considered real time thinking by saying that they could have asked on the off chance they were leaving much later. Regardless I think it unlikely they would have done.

Again when have Harry and Meghan sued the papers for printing lies? They have never done this.

That is always the answer to every nonsense story. When a paper writes 26 articles in a 24 hour period, they would not have a life if they sued everything written when a lot of it is daft opinion and made up.

I don't blame them for ignoring. Because the criticism they get if they do sue is momentous and they do have a life to live.

We know from Harry himself though that they moved heaven and earth to correct press articles they don’t like though (and this can be seen even now in constant revisions of articles about them, such as by Victoria Ward in the Telegraph recently - amended more than 10 times after it was first published, largely to be more favourable to the Sussexes). And this article is a few days old now and is still standing. Either someone is sure of their sources and is standing firm or they haven’t been asked to change it…

"It didn't help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn't have nearly enough people or resources”

But they didn’t sue though did they

Of course it’s possible to sue and the matter to be settled out of court so we wouldn’t know . Not saying that has happened with H and M.

good post mrsmax.
I find it odd that people are believing something that is in the dm.
imagine if we posted a nasty story about W&K and said oh it was in the dm so must be true. the detractors would be telling us off.

You know it’s absurd - someone can lie about you and you take pains to correct the record and that is seen as a bad thing. Or they go to great lengths to invade your privacy and you sue them for it - that is a bad thing. And if they continue to print lies and you don’t take action because doing that is a bad thing - then that’s proof that it’s true. I mean wtf.

No they won't. Just as they will not sue over the stories of their breaking marriage, or fraudulent children or Tom Bower's accusation that Meghan stole shoes from a photo shoot.

Despite severe provocation, Meghan has not taken legal action over the many things her sister has said about her, including about her children. Samantha though, is suing Meghan over her own take on her childhood.

I am sure that as a lawyer you advise clients that some lawsuits actually give more mileage to stories, and it is best sometimes to just ignore them.

Many of the revelations about Prince Andrew and Virginia Guiffre were first published in the Daily Mail. Is this another case where stories you don’t like are clearly made up, but stories you do like are clearly true?

Neatly side stepped

Always, MrsMaxDeWinter! I also know well however that some clients never listen to advice, no matter how sensible it is… 🤣