Oprah, H and M.

[lapisamethyst]

Are they considered close friends? And Gayle, Oprah's bestie, is she still on side H&M...she appears to have gone quiet.
Or has the now known lies from their Oprah interview changed their friendship I wonder?
It all seemed so pally but did it stand the test of time?

I have explained clearly the context of my comment.

It is above, and you can read it.

You don't have to agree with my position, or my historical perspective.

Just as I don't have to pretend that I found the event in Edinburgh riveting.

I suggest we agree to disagree, and move on.

Thank you.

Could people please refrain from bringing race into this thread in the manner in which it is being done. . It's an interesting discussion on the OW interview and the fallout. I'm not saying don't reflect on the issues but I can see a distinct attempt to derail and have the thread deleted. Please be considerate of other peoples viewpoints and perceptions and be polite. Costs nothing.

I can certainly agree with this.

You have not explained why you brought skin colour in but there’s no point in me asking you again but maybe think about what you write in future ?

I rarely report other posters but this is feeling more and more like hounding and harassment.

I am sorry that you are offended because I said I did not enjoy the event in Edinburgh. Please let that be enough and move on. Thank you.

Excuse me? If I was to post anything even remotely like you have just done, I would be accused of 'thread policing'. Why should you say that? If there is something about race that needs to be said, it can be said. No one is trying to derail or have the thread deleted.

Push back on what people say is allowed you know.

@MrsMaxDeWinter Yes it is hounding and harrassment. You can bring up race as much as you want, sometimes things need saying.

@Howsimplywonderful

I no more get paid to write about Meghan Markle than you do to write about her.

Your post is a form of troll hunting. I will be reporting it for that reason.

Thank you.

Do you get paid for spreading vitriol about Meghan? Surely you do.

surely its hard not to bring race in to this thread. one of the big "reveals" that happened in the interview that the thread is about, was about race.
so surely posters mentioning race are not derailing.

🙄

I said I'm not saying don't reflect on the issues. Just don't become abusive and confrontational which is the direction this is heading

@Roussette
MrsMDW agrees this is a sensible option to the tennis match that's taking place.

I don't think that MrsMax was derailing. But I think saying that Charles put on the coronation with the intention of obliging inferior people of the darker races to find it spellbinding and lap it up was unnecessary.
It's seems unfair on a man who has done a lot to reach out and include a whole variety of religions and who made his London coronation as inclusive as possible. And he is treated warmly by heads of states of a variety of races from around the world and there is no hint that he treats anyone of colour poorly.
Indeed his Prince's Trust has helped all races, and not just in this country but across the Commonwealth, both in starting businesses and in training. I have never heard anyone from these darker races say that he has treated them as an inferior. On the contrary, they speak positively about him and the help they've achieved.

Not all Scottish people are white .

@Gracewithoutend if you look up thread a poster was saying bringing race into the thread was derailing. to be honest the picking apart of MrsMaxDeWinter is starting to look like a targeted attack.
they are allowed to post about finding something boring and mention race. its not against the talk guidelines.

Yes the last time I looked the First Minister was a poc. Here he is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humza_Yousaf

Yep @derxa , shouldn't need to be said really, assuming someone's skin colour from their nationality really is problematic at best!

Samcro · Today 10:04
it was a question, simple as that. its not something I know about so asked.

My apologies, then @Samcro, maybe I was being touchy. What I was trying to say is that there are posters who are determined to force a discussion about race for their own reasons, but I’m not suggesting at all that that’s due to their own racial profile.

The “race card” comment is made about POC when It’s perceived they are using their race to try to gain advantage. That’s not something I would ever say of anyone so I was a bit offended that you seemed to suggest I might.

All good now.😄

But I think saying that Charles put on the coronation with the intention of obliging inferior people of the darker races to find it spellbinding and lap it up was unnecessary.

Indeed, it would be, if if that was what I actually said. But I did not say any such thing, Charles was not mentioned at all, and I would appreciate not being misquoted. My comment was directed at the poster who asked me "how dare you" not like an event she valued as a Scot, to which my response was that the days when Scottish or English traditions are held before us of the "darker races" as something to be dazzled by are long gone.

I am not going to pretend that I found something interesting simply because it was Scottish or English. And no amount of "but its Scottish/English' or whatever will bludgeon me into submission.

In the same way, I will never use the fact that my country's traditions are my country's as the reason they everyone should fall on the faces in stunned admiration. I found it boring, and dull, like I found the Coronation.

And yes, Hamza Yusuf is the SNP leader and first minister of Scotland. I believe that the position is open to all UK citizens who live in Scotland, whether or not they have Scottish heritage.

Similarly, Rishi Sunak, of Indian heritage, is the prime minister of the UK, but just as it would be rewriting of history to claim that the event in Edinburgh had anything to do with Hamza Yusuf's heritage as the sun of Muslim immigrants, it would be just as ahistorical for anyone to claim that the coronation had anything to do with Rishi's heritage. After all, a big deal was made about him being Hindi and reading the Bible in a CoE establishment, just as a big deal was made about Hamza being a Muslim reading in a CoS service.

You can't rabbit on about inclusion and diversity without addressing what you are including into and diversifying from.

That the children of immigrants from formerly colonised nations (and whose countries were part of the British Empire at the last Coronation) have risen to great prominence in UK political life to the point where they now participate in traditions previously excluded to them does not give us licence to rewrite history.

I don't think I've replied much, if ever, to MrsMax's comments so I take strong exception to you saying I'm part of a targeted attack on her. I reply according to what I think, not what others do.

Everyone is entitled to find the coronation boring. And they're entitled to punish themselves by watching something that gives them no pleasure. It increases the viewing figures so I'm sure the Palace will be happy.

Her comment was uncalled for, but if, as you say, it's not against talk guidelines, then it can't be against the guidelines for me to say I found it unnecessary and offensive. However, I have discovered that some posters often request comments be deleted so I'm sure this will go that way too. I hope no one requests MrsM's comment to be deleted, though, because I think it should stay.

No problem at all with you finding my comment unnecessary as long as you don't twist what I said to make it more incendiary than. it was.

Hope my post above explains the context clearly, with apologies for the many typos.

The questioning of a poc for bringing up race is fucking disgusting.

@Iwantcakeeveryday

Let's not get into that, or else we will never stop!!

@Gracewithoutend This is what it is. I’m here if you want to get back on topic and keep the thread from going poof.

I watched Oprah as a child, along with all the other talk shows that were in in the early days. Phil Donahue, Joan Rivers and many others. Home alone during the summers while Mom was at work.

Then I grew up a bit and stopped because of work, school, etc. next think I knew Oprah had an absolute cult following. A friend and her mom lived in Chicago and watched, read, did everything that appeared in Oprah. I never was like that but have mountains of respect.

Oprah's cult following is very well deserved.

I especially appreciate what she has done for books, and how she brought some amazing works to a wider audience, from Tolstoy's Anna Karenina to Ken Follet's The Pillars of the Earth which absolutely blew up when she championed it.

What I also love about Oprah is that she does not use her platform to drive wedge issues, unlike many we could mention.