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SaxSick · 22/06/2023 14:05

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:57

are you directing that at @skullbabe ? no need for personal remarks. I think @skullbabe is living on the same planet as the rest of us and has a pretty fair and reasonable opinion of things.

Personal remarks can get posts deleted as has already been proven here this morning.

BadgerB · 22/06/2023 14:05

SoTedious · Today 10:45

Are you implying that I’m anti media? That’s rather presumptuous of you.

No, I just thought it was amusing that you referred to any media as fact.

If we have to assume that NO media are factual, ever - there's absolutely nothing, pro or con, that we can discuss.
Unless we know the subject(s) personally, and even then we could be considered biased.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:08

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 13:44

It's odd isn't it - people in the West can't honestly be thought to have any level of priviledge on the global scale and people need to rememeber that only the Royal family have priviledge and members should never speak about how they are feeling about being scrutinised and criticised about everything especially in the post partum period.

I don't think you get my point - even on MN, people don't like to hear fairly well-off people whinging about their lives of relative privilege. It's seen as inappropriate in the context of the cost of living crisis. An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

What I don’t like during a cost of living crises is our government taking £250M from social care workforce funding exactly two months before spending £250M the King’s coronation.

Don’t get me started on the millions spent just weeks later for the Trooping of the Colour.

But sure, let’s get distracted and hatefully obsess and scrutinise every possible thought, word and movement of a vulnerable mother who left this country three years ago in fear of her mental health. We don’t pay for her. What she does is none of our business.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/17/government-to-cut-250m-from-social-care-workforce-funding-in-england-report-says

Government ‘to cut £250m from social care workforce funding’ in England

Ministers to halve the £500m promised to invest in staffing of sector with more than 165,000 vacancies, report says

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/17/government-to-cut-250m-from-social-care-workforce-funding-in-england-report-says

SaxSick · 22/06/2023 14:11

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 13:44

It's odd isn't it - people in the West can't honestly be thought to have any level of priviledge on the global scale and people need to rememeber that only the Royal family have priviledge and members should never speak about how they are feeling about being scrutinised and criticised about everything especially in the post partum period.

I don't think you get my point - even on MN, people don't like to hear fairly well-off people whinging about their lives of relative privilege. It's seen as inappropriate in the context of the cost of living crisis. An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

I have to agree with you and I think that was just a hint of what was to come. As for her being post partum as referred to upthread, perhaps she needed to stay at home as opposed to travelling at that time with a baby. Were they forced to tour as a family at that time on what turned out to be the most expensive royal tour of that year? Did they receive money from ITV for the programme that was made when they were there? I don't know the answers to these.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:12

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 13:52

An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

Not to me. I don;t think being privileged or wealthy excludes anyone from mental health issues, nor is it a reason to constantly persecute and bully them. Its completely hypocritical that in this age of so-called mental health awareness, which the royals are supposedly working on through various charities, that we constantly hear that privileged people must not talk about their own troubles. As Prince William likes to say, anyone can have mental health struggles. I think its really crass to constantly say that people with wealth must never talk about their own struggles, or must do so at certain times and places. If William talking about homelessness while he has what is it now, 3 homes? if that's ok, then I think it's ok for Meghan to answer a question honestly.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 14:13

Wheresthebeach · 22/06/2023 13:58

@Iwantcakeeveryday I call it thread policing and derailing. So something else we disagree on.

I consider what you are doing to be thread policing!

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:17

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 09:40

Re the “grifting” and charity, Meghan & Harry received an award of an ongoing annual $100k from NAACP. They then announced that Archewell was giving an annual award of - you guessed it - $100k. That $100k is doing more rounds than a Baylis & Harding gift set.

They did not receive an award of $100k from the NAACP.

They get the £100,000 every year from now on, don't they?

From Variety.

Each year, the honoree will be awarded a $100,000 unrestricted stipend to be used to advance new work, expand leadership and expertise or continue to make an impact in the field.

“We’re thrilled to present this award to Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex,

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:21

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SaxSick · 22/06/2023 14:24

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I will post what I like thank you.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:24

I have to agree with you and I think that was just a hint of what was to come. As for her being post partum as referred to upthread, perhaps she needed to stay at home as opposed to travelling at that time with a baby. Were they forced to tour as a family at that time on what turned out to be the most expensive royal tour of that year? Did they receive money from ITV for the programme that was made when they were there? I don't know the answers to these.

Yes she should have stayed home. I mean - she might have been criticised for that because Kate managed to go on a tour of New Zealand at about the same time post partum but Kate obviously wasn't so horrible as to comment about how she was feeling when asked in an interview. But she should have stayed at home and taken all the commentary on the chin. Silly woman.

I heard ITV set up the initial shell company for Archewell productions to funnel in the proceeds from the ITV documentary into it - it's obvious that they knew almost a year in advance of their leaving to set this all up 🙄- follow the money I say.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:26

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Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:28

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:08

What I don’t like during a cost of living crises is our government taking £250M from social care workforce funding exactly two months before spending £250M the King’s coronation.

Don’t get me started on the millions spent just weeks later for the Trooping of the Colour.

But sure, let’s get distracted and hatefully obsess and scrutinise every possible thought, word and movement of a vulnerable mother who left this country three years ago in fear of her mental health. We don’t pay for her. What she does is none of our business.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/17/government-to-cut-250m-from-social-care-workforce-funding-in-england-report-says

People just throw out these ridiculous figures without an evidence at all. Where do you get the £250m from?

The queen's funeral cast £160m. And that went on for days and covered all sorts of expenses including protection and looking after Heads of states from all over the world. The coronation was one morning.

All countries hold annual military parades, regardless of having a monarchy or not.

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 14:29

I agree with you. I think priviledged people should shut up at all times.

That's not agreeing with me - I don't even say that Meghan should shut up, merely that I think a rich person complaining about their life on camera while standing in a poor area is crass.

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SoTedious · 22/06/2023 14:32

If William talking about homelessness while he has what is it now, 3 homes? if that's ok, then I think it's ok for Meghan to answer a question honestly.

William complaining on itv about only having three homes while standing in front of a homelessness shelter during a royal visit would be equivalently crass, but as far as I know, he hasn't done that.

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 14:35

If we have to assume that NO media are factual, ever - there's absolutely nothing, pro or con, that we can discuss.

Of course we can discuss media reports, why not? But declaring any of them to be fact is a bit silly imo.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:36

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skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:38

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:17

They get the £100,000 every year from now on, don't they?

From Variety.

Each year, the honoree will be awarded a $100,000 unrestricted stipend to be used to advance new work, expand leadership and expertise or continue to make an impact in the field.

“We’re thrilled to present this award to Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex,

From the same article in Variety - all paragraphs preceding for context:

"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, will accept the NAACP President’s Award during the 53rd annual Image Awards on Saturday.

Previous recipients of the prestigious prize include sporting icons (Muhammad Ali, LeBron James), political figures (Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice), entertainers (Rihanna, Jay-Z and Lauryn Hill) and journalists (Soledad O’Brien), among others.

“It’s a true honor to be recognized by President Derrick Johnson and the NAACP, whose efforts to propel racial justice and civil rights are as vital today as they were nearly 115 years ago,” stated Prince Harry and Markle.

The couple also announced that they’ve partnered with the NAACP to create a new honor — the NAACP-Archewell Digital Civil Rights Award — supported by their Archewell Foundation and administered by the NAACP. The annual award will recognize leaders creating transformational change — at the intersection of social justice and technology — to advance civil and human rights. Each year, the honoree will be awarded a $100,000 unrestricted stipend to be used to advance new work, expand leadership and expertise or continue to make an impact in the field."

So no - Prince Harry and Meghan Markle were not awarded $100 000 for the NAACP President's Award - I have also checked President's Awards winners line Colin Powell, Gabrielle Union and Tavis Smiley - not one of them was awarded any money for this prize.

Archewell partnered with NAACP to give $100000 -to the NAACP-Archewell Digital Civil Rights Award - the first recipient being Nabiha Syed.

https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-and-archewell-foundation-announce-2023-digital-civil-rights-award-recipient#:~:text=The%20winner%20is%20awarded%20%24100%2C000,and%20media%20executive%2C%20Nabiha%20Syed.

So no - they did not recived $100 000 as a prize from the NAACP which is what is the PP stated.

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https://variety.com/t/prince-harry/

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:50

@skullbabe I apologise if I read that wrong. So are you saying that Archewell are giving a stipend of $100,000 every year to winners. So $100,000 this year, $200,000 next etc. So in 10 years. They'll be giving $1m a year split between 10 winners, and rising ad infinitum?

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:51

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:38

From the same article in Variety - all paragraphs preceding for context:

"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, will accept the NAACP President’s Award during the 53rd annual Image Awards on Saturday.

Previous recipients of the prestigious prize include sporting icons (Muhammad Ali, LeBron James), political figures (Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice), entertainers (Rihanna, Jay-Z and Lauryn Hill) and journalists (Soledad O’Brien), among others.

“It’s a true honor to be recognized by President Derrick Johnson and the NAACP, whose efforts to propel racial justice and civil rights are as vital today as they were nearly 115 years ago,” stated Prince Harry and Markle.

The couple also announced that they’ve partnered with the NAACP to create a new honor — the NAACP-Archewell Digital Civil Rights Award — supported by their Archewell Foundation and administered by the NAACP. The annual award will recognize leaders creating transformational change — at the intersection of social justice and technology — to advance civil and human rights. Each year, the honoree will be awarded a $100,000 unrestricted stipend to be used to advance new work, expand leadership and expertise or continue to make an impact in the field."

So no - Prince Harry and Meghan Markle were not awarded $100 000 for the NAACP President's Award - I have also checked President's Awards winners line Colin Powell, Gabrielle Union and Tavis Smiley - not one of them was awarded any money for this prize.

Archewell partnered with NAACP to give $100000 -to the NAACP-Archewell Digital Civil Rights Award - the first recipient being Nabiha Syed.

https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-and-archewell-foundation-announce-2023-digital-civil-rights-award-recipient#:~:text=The%20winner%20is%20awarded%20%24100%2C000,and%20media%20executive%2C%20Nabiha%20Syed.

So no - they did not recived $100 000 as a prize from the NAACP which is what is the PP stated.

It would be interesting to know where the lie that they were awarded $100,000 and a further $100,000 every year, originated from?

Media literacy It’s really not hard to verify information from additional, reliable sources before accepting everything we read and hear.

It’s utterly disgraceful that this misinformation was allowed to spread, but not surprising. Just more of the same Anti Harry and Meghan propaganda 🙄

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:54

That's not agreeing with me - I don't even say that Meghan should shut up, merely that I think a rich person complaining about their life on camera while standing in a poor area is crass.

Apologies - rich people standing in their hotels in countries where there are poor people are indeed crass and should not express that they are struggling at all.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:57

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:50

@skullbabe I apologise if I read that wrong. So are you saying that Archewell are giving a stipend of $100,000 every year to winners. So $100,000 this year, $200,000 next etc. So in 10 years. They'll be giving $1m a year split between 10 winners, and rising ad infinitum?

I think this may have been printed elsewhere because you’re not the first person to have thought this.

Maybe a newspaper quoting Variety incorrectly?

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:57

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 14:50

@skullbabe I apologise if I read that wrong. So are you saying that Archewell are giving a stipend of $100,000 every year to winners. So $100,000 this year, $200,000 next etc. So in 10 years. They'll be giving $1m a year split between 10 winners, and rising ad infinitum?

No - they will give a $100 000 every year to a different recipient each year.

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 15:04

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 14:51

It would be interesting to know where the lie that they were awarded $100,000 and a further $100,000 every year, originated from?

Media literacy It’s really not hard to verify information from additional, reliable sources before accepting everything we read and hear.

It’s utterly disgraceful that this misinformation was allowed to spread, but not surprising. Just more of the same Anti Harry and Meghan propaganda 🙄

Calm down there. I don't think it's a deliberate plant of fake news by anyone. It's how things appear on Google. It takes facts from different parts of the article and summarises it so it reads like the $100,000 comes with the Presidents Award. Then other articles from like Geo.news, hardly critics of Harry and Meghan!, write a full article about it, but put in the word reportedly to cover themselves. That article is then sold to multiple news sites that repeat it.

It's how news works these days. It's cheaper than paying journalists from each publication.

These reports came from US magazines or news sites that in early 2022 were still, on the whole, quite pro Harry and Meghan. They weren't trying to do them down.

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 15:08

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 14:57

No - they will give a $100 000 every year to a different recipient each year.

No - they will give a $100 000 every year to a different recipient each year.

So not a stipend as we understand it in the UK, then. It must have a different meaning in the US.

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