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Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 12:40

There is a disproportionate amount of scrutiny and attention given to Harry and Meghan here and little to none of the RF who are the original, and existing, grifters

I don't disagree, Iwantcake, but it remains a sad fact that many just don't want to hear it

You'll find no greater opponent of the monarchy as an institution and Charles in particular, but mention some of his more appalling choices and you'll get a few "How terribles", the occasional "Oh here we go again ..." but little else

I have to admit I didn't know about Michael of Kent's visa lobbying though; yet another one at it and hardly any surprise when you consider what the major players expect to get away with

Serenster · 22/06/2023 12:45

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Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 12:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 12:40

There is a disproportionate amount of scrutiny and attention given to Harry and Meghan here and little to none of the RF who are the original, and existing, grifters

I don't disagree, Iwantcake, but it remains a sad fact that many just don't want to hear it

You'll find no greater opponent of the monarchy as an institution and Charles in particular, but mention some of his more appalling choices and you'll get a few "How terribles", the occasional "Oh here we go again ..." but little else

I have to admit I didn't know about Michael of Kent's visa lobbying though; yet another one at it and hardly any surprise when you consider what the major players expect to get away with

Interestingly, Michael of Kent has a half-in, half-out set up with the Firm.
Funny that 🤔

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:47

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:40

to say nothing of Meghan's sobfest in a South African township of all places

Indeed. It was really important that Meghan should have known that her interviewer asking her how she was doing personally when she had been having a tough time was not an invitation to be honest about her feelings of being under continual scrutiny especially as a new mother. I think that's an important message to share with all priviledged women especially of the west - sharing that they're having a tough time during periods of change or expressing pain is always unwelcome particulary because there are people worse off than you. I wonder if we should shut down Mumsnet - after all the internet is everywhere and we have some many women on this site engaging in sobfests about their lives which can be read by the people in South African townships. We cannot have that. It's totally insensitive.

Absolutely, we must never ever talk about our problems or be honest when asked because someone somewhere is going to be worse off.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:49

Roussette · 22/06/2023 11:32

I know 😊

Such a random and mean criticism, both of them come across as hands on parents so to insinuate that about her for no reason at all is a low blow on a parenting website

As they have been accused of ‘grifting’ surely people are entitled to scrutinise their actions and wonder their input into the projects they attach their name to.
grift
noun(sometimes used with a plural verb)

  1. a group of methods for obtaining money falsely through the use of swindles, frauds, dishonest gambling, etc.
  2. money obtained from such practices.

There is no evidence of fraud or swindling that has been described here or in anything that they have done.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:50

Sorry didnn't mean to quote you @Rousette

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 12:54

Much enjoying the defence of Meghan complaining about her life of privilege while on a royal visit to an area of poverty, and comparing it with someone starting a thread on mumsnet 👏👏
(Where "check your privilege" is an oft repeated mantra btw)

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:57

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are you directing that at @skullbabe ? no need for personal remarks. I think @skullbabe is living on the same planet as the rest of us and has a pretty fair and reasonable opinion of things.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 13:11

I think that's an important message to share with all priviledged women especially of the west - sharing that they're having a tough time during periods of change or expressing pain is always unwelcome particulary because there are people worse off than you

Nobody's suggested it's always unwelcome, skullbabe, though the knee jerk suggestion that someone's trying to "shut them down" is getting a bit tired now

However it's the contexts H&M choose for their complaints which often attract comment, the more so when it involves sycophantic interviewers - as if they'd subject themselves to any other kind Hmm - who'll very likely have discussed every question beforehand

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:14

Serenster · 22/06/2023 12:28

Heaven forbid! Seems like this goes contrary to the narrative that she did all of this for attention.

It’s the press release she sent out immediately afterwards that mostly gave that impression, to be fair.

It’s the press release she sent out immediately afterwards that mostly gave that impression, to be fair.

I knew it! She didn't do it because she cared and was horrified by what happened. The monster. I wonder what the angle was with her getting in touch with Irma Garcia's sister by phone. Probably again for the publicity. Terrible woman.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 13:16

Interestingly, Michael of Kent has a half-in, half-out set up with the Firm

Not sure about the half in/half out exactly; isn't it just that he's a bit too distant to matter much to the main players?

Though considering the choices of the woman he married it's probably just as well for the rest ... it enables them to do a "nothing to do with us"

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 13:19

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:47

Absolutely, we must never ever talk about our problems or be honest when asked because someone somewhere is going to be worse off.

If I remember rightly, didn’t her honestly and vulnerability resonate with millions of women around the world?
I seem to remember the hashtag WeLoveYouMeghan trending for days with messages of support and women having the courage to share their own experiences and vulnerabilities.

A global Mumsnet thread, if you like 😉

We couldn’t have that though. A positive viral moment for the relatable Duchess? No, what if this lead to further discussions about the way she was being treated daily by the press and on every show from GMB to Loose Women to name a few?

It didn’t take long for the narrative to shift and the media illiterate swallowed it whole; hook, line and sinker.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:20

I do wonder what planet you need to be living on to believe that that lines of questioning and those answers, were not planned and prepared in advance.

You're absolutely right - she completely prepared her answers in advance in a cyncial ploy to win public sympathy for the situation she was in (post partum and under signficant unfounded scrutiny) but I'm glad you're all here to put me straight. It's important to castigate women who are struggling especially when they are priviledged for having the temerity to do anything but smile sweetly at all times.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:28

Much enjoying the defence of Meghan complaining about her life of privilege while on a royal visit to an area of poverty, and comparing it with someone starting a thread on mumsnet 👏👏
(Where "check your privilege" is an oft repeated mantra btw)

It's odd isn't it - people in the West can't honestly be thought to have any level of priviledge on the global scale and people need to rememeber that only the Royal family have priviledge and members should never speak about how they are feeling about being scrutinised and criticised about everything especially in the post partum period.

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 13:44

It's odd isn't it - people in the West can't honestly be thought to have any level of priviledge on the global scale and people need to rememeber that only the Royal family have priviledge and members should never speak about how they are feeling about being scrutinised and criticised about everything especially in the post partum period.

I don't think you get my point - even on MN, people don't like to hear fairly well-off people whinging about their lives of relative privilege. It's seen as inappropriate in the context of the cost of living crisis. An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

Wheresthebeach · 22/06/2023 13:47

The derailing and 'whataboutary' on MM threads is off the scale.

Why not set up a RF bashing thread if that's what you'd like to discuss?

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:47

I don't think you get my point - even on MN, people don't like to hear fairly well-off people whinging about their lives of relative privilege. It's seen as inappropriate in the context of the cost of living crisis. An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

I agree with you. I think priviledged people should shut up at all times.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:49

The derailing and 'whataboutary' on MM threads is off the scale.

Why not set up a RF bashing thread if that's what you'd like to discuss?

Hear hear - why can't people be allowed to bash MM in peace?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 13:52

An enormously wealthy and privileged woman complaining on tv while on an official royal visit to an area of poverty is off the scale crass.

Not to me. I don;t think being privileged or wealthy excludes anyone from mental health issues, nor is it a reason to constantly persecute and bully them. Its completely hypocritical that in this age of so-called mental health awareness, which the royals are supposedly working on through various charities, that we constantly hear that privileged people must not talk about their own troubles. As Prince William likes to say, anyone can have mental health struggles. I think its really crass to constantly say that people with wealth must never talk about their own struggles, or must do so at certain times and places. If William talking about homelessness while he has what is it now, 3 homes? if that's ok, then I think it's ok for Meghan to answer a question honestly.

Roussette · 22/06/2023 13:53

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 13:49

The derailing and 'whataboutary' on MM threads is off the scale.

Why not set up a RF bashing thread if that's what you'd like to discuss?

Hear hear - why can't people be allowed to bash MM in peace?

Yep . You're an infiltrator! As am I.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 13:53

Wheresthebeach · 22/06/2023 13:47

The derailing and 'whataboutary' on MM threads is off the scale.

Why not set up a RF bashing thread if that's what you'd like to discuss?

it's not whataboutery to compare to other royals that do not receive the same criticisms and scrutiny. Its called pointing out your own hypocrisy.

Wheresthebeach · 22/06/2023 13:58

@Iwantcakeeveryday I call it thread policing and derailing. So something else we disagree on.

SaxSick · 22/06/2023 13:59

MarcelProust · 22/06/2023 10:59

It it is seen as a negative by people like you.

I see it as self preservation.

Elton John tried to explain how they carbon offset. Harry's Travelyst also tried to explain this. But you are not listening.

Well, never mind.

People like me? You know nothing about me other than the fact that I may carry different opinions about things but yes go ahead with your attempt at smacking down people with your alleged better ear and understanding. 😂

Wheresthebeach · 22/06/2023 13:59

I also think it's a genuine attempt to shut down discussions by making it impossible to discuss.

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